Udimore Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Just walked into work to be pulled into a meeting The above question was thrown at me and I thought I know who the best people to ask are I know the monster 8690 has the Sisu 8.4 litre engine ... maybe Sisu are going to replace Perkins Quote
NIGEL FORD Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Just walked into work to be pulled into a meeting The above question was thrown at me and I thought I know who the best people to ask are I know the monster 8690 has the Sisu 8.4 litre engine ... maybe Sisu are going to replace Perkins but they've been using Sisu in the bigger ones for years haven't they, they're all part of AGCO aren't they. The old MF 38/40 combines had Valtra/Sisu engines more than a decade ago. Quote
Udimore Posted October 27, 2008 Author Posted October 27, 2008 Yes they are... but because of the massive drive to cleaner engines I am wondering if Perkins can not get anywhere near the Sisu Its not just the big tractors that are gonna have Sisu engines...so I am told this morning Dunno perhaps the MF weirdos on here can help me more Quote
allis8550 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 It's possible the Perkins engines may be phased out in the future, but for the time being I can't see this happening, most of the MF ranges seem to have a parrallel Perkins/Sisu line up, as many operators will prefer one engine over the other. Quote
Lord Ferguson Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Well from what I've heard... the 4 cylinder Sisu now fitted in the 64 series is not proving to be a good engine at all \ I'll be hugely disappointed if they do drop Perkins engines in the smaller tractors... for me.... it's part of a Massey Ferguson - full stop... Ohh.... Noooo I hope I don't fancy another brand if this happens... anyone got any tattoo remover :D Quote
Udimore Posted October 27, 2008 Author Posted October 27, 2008 Well from what I've heard... the 4 cylinder Sisu now fitted in the 64 series is not proving to be a good engine at all \ I'll be hugely disappointed if they do drop Perkins engines in the smaller tractors... for me.... it's part of a Massey Ferguson - full stop... Ohh.... Noooo I hope I don't fancy another brand if this happens... anyone got any tattoo remover :D Thanks Marky Its kindof an odd thought really...Laurel & Hardy, Morecombe & Wise, MF & Perkins What faults does the 4 cylinder engine have Marky ? lack of grunt ? are they going too mad on the cleaner engines rather than improving the performance Quote
Lord Ferguson Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 I'm not really sure Bazza.... but I've heard it's been 'trouble'.... bottom end I believe... I was going thinking about my 'next move' to a 6470... which has currently got the Sisu 44CTA engine... I was 'warned off it' and advised to go to the next model up (the 6475) with the 6 cylinder 'tried and tested' perkins 1106D-E66TA ... Not sure how much of it is caution on behalf of the farming fraternity mind you... Sisu is pretty much the unknown in 4 cylinder tractor engines... in the MF range anyway \ Quote
Tellarian Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 There maybe the heritage effect - Perkins will be continued to be offered in Massey as the traditionalists see it as being part of the brand... The same way that a Fendt will always have a German engine. Remember Cat Corporate own a lot of AGCO stock and sit on the board of AGCO. When Cat sold the licensing of Challenger to AGCO it was largely a stock issue from AGCO that paid for it. Cat thought / assumed they would have a tame market for Perkapillar engines .. till they took over Valtra Sisu. So, AGCO own SISU, but Cat own a large chunk of AGCO - I can see Perkins staying around for a while yet. Nobody argues with a 900lb gorilla. Quote
Udimore Posted October 27, 2008 Author Posted October 27, 2008 Interesting comments lads... Can any MF drivers on here confirm the fuel comsumption saving with a SCR (Selective Catalytic Reduction) ? 5% saving the design engineers tell me whilst meeting emmission regulations with basically clean air They recommend that this stuff named "Adblue" is a diesel exhaust fluid works wonders on the 8.4 Litre engine Quote
MJB1 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 ad blue hmm i'll tell you what a volvo trained mechanic told me . the ad-blue system is all wired into the electrical nonsence , although ad -blue /amonia stuff does reduce emmissions by effectively dousing the exhaust gasses that is litteraly all it does . When the ad'blue tank runs out , the sensor tells the electric engine management control that all the liquid in the tank has gone , so the electric bits seriously de-rate the engine , giving awfull performance & fuel economy . If however you fill the ad-blu tank back up with ad-blue or water or lucozade even beer the sensor tells the electric bit liquid is back in the tank & so the engine is automaticly brought back up to HP rating , how right this is i dont know . BUT i have talked to hauliers that fill their ad-blu tanks with water only & have had no performance loss what so ever , One of these hauliers runs a 56 plate SCANIA V8 580 with just water in his tank , but soon as the water runs out , the engine performance suffers , to get through his ministry test he did use ad-blu to keep the emmissions down Quote
Lord Ferguson Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 well Marcus that's interesting mate... so... when I get my 8690 I'll be joining the sender unit wires up on my tank then... can't afford water at the price it is these days Quote
Kiwi6920 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Any one aware that Cat own/ brought out and now make perkins.... them been part of agco cant see perkins been droped from the line, might have yellow perkins insted with cat all over them..... Quote
MODELFARMER Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 If oil keeps dropping just fill ad blue tank with diesel as it will be cheaper than bottled water ha ha ha Quote
MJB1 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 well Marcus that's interesting mate... so... when I get my 8690 I'll be joining the sender unit wires up on my tank then... can't afford water at the price it is these days well it's working up till now , thats not to say the volvo chap is wrong & his engine will go bang tomorrow Quote
Udimore Posted October 27, 2008 Author Posted October 27, 2008 well Marcus that's interesting mate... so... when I get my 8690 I'll be joining the sender unit wires up on my tank then... can't afford water at the price it is these days I'll wire it up for you Marky Quote
Deeredriver Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 over here we get perkins engines badged up at caterpillars we have quite a few of em as irrigation engines 6 cyl turbos Every time i see one i smile as they have made in Great Britain on them ;D Quote
Udimore Posted October 27, 2008 Author Posted October 27, 2008 Peterborough plant ....where I seem to spend a lot of my time talking to design engineers Some of the engineers are employed by both Perkins & Cat whilst others are one or the other ... It gets very confusing for little ole me Quote
Eurodeere Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 It would make sense for agco to fit in house engines in the form of sisu but as Tellarian says Cat/Perkins/Agco are linked by shares etc. A Fergie without a Perkins engine is no longer a Fergie for me. Quote
robbo Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Don't some of the McCormicks also use Perkins engines or has that stopped now? Quote
MODELFARMER Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 It would make sense for agco to fit in house engines in the form of sisu but as Tellarian says Cat/Perkins/Agco are linked by shares etc. A Fergie without a Perkins engine is no longer a Fergie for me. what is it then?? a fer?? or a gie?? or a rgi?? Quote
nashmach Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 I could see this happening in 3-5 years time to be honest... 6 cyl Perkins do not have a good name around my area - Bush Burners most call them so that should be obvious. Know some diehard MF men who bought Sisu engine MF's this time around and are very happy I haven't heard about those engine problems yet Mark Is that the same engine as in a Valtra A and N? Quote
MODELFARMER Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I could see this happening in 3-5 years time to be honest... 6 cyl Perkins do not have a good name around my area - Bush Burners most call them so that should be obvious. Know some diehard MF men who bought Sisu engine MF's this time around and are very happy I haven't heard about those engine problems yet Mark Is that the same engine as in a Valtra A and N? u got one o them crystal balls from ebay again? Quote
Udimore Posted October 28, 2008 Author Posted October 28, 2008 I could see this happening in 3-5 years time to be honest... 6 cyl Perkins do not have a good name around my area - Bush Burners most call them so that should be obvious. Know some diehard MF men who bought Sisu engine MF's this time around and are very happy I haven't heard about those engine problems yet Mark Is that the same engine as in a Valtra A and N? Interesting Colm... Bush burners is a term well known in the Engine trade :D Some of Perkins engineers actually have t-shirts referring to Cummins building Bush Burners Quote
gogreengelb Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I can see the day when the red ones have something green under the bonnet (and I dont mean a fendt).What a turn up for the books that would be then :o :o Quote
MODELFARMER Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I can see the day when the red ones have something green under the bonnet (and I dont mean a fendt).What a turn up for the books that would be then :o :o The back end wouldn't stick it matey Quote
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