Lord Ferguson Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 So once it has churned it out will you bag it and sell straight away or will you be looking at a small site to be able to windrow it? I like what you're doing, top Marks. it's got to be windrowed Trissy.... Depending on the mix it can take up to 8 weeks for a GOOD finished product... I myself am trying to start a new busness up, hence my questions/negitivity can you start out with a wood chipper and a mixer wagonand chipp it in to the wagon and start off like that till your established and have a flow of customers? Hvae you got any space to lay the mounds out, i understand they need a fair bit of space, and how do you turn the compost? most around here have huge turning machines that straddle the rows I know that all sounds negative but im intersted on a serious note, its a bloody good idea but a very costly one if it goes wrong. Nick... no probs I sincerely appreciate the questions/feedback... I have a local farmer interested in letting me use his fields for windrowing... and taking in green waste... inititally it would be turned over by the loader.. until I am big enough to buy/lease a windrow turning machine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi6920 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Its good to know that you have it all planed out matey. Is there much compation around you? That sounds like its going to be my prob now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Its good to know that you have it all planed out matey. Is there much compation around you? That sounds like its going to be my prob now A lot Nick... and that's the problem really... it may well be the stumbling block on this project... it seems like the world and his uncle are into green waste composting lately :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi6920 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Same issue as me. Every one has a solids spreader. Hope to get some clients lined up be for I buy up large Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Same issue as me. Every one has a solids spreader. Hope to get some clients lined up be for I buy up large difficult situation... you have to put the cart before the horse really... ie.. speculate with the hope that you will accumulate \ I guess you have to have a merketing strategy all worked out first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 difficult situation... you have to put the cart before the horse really... ie.. speculate with the hope that you will accumulate \ I guess you have to have a merketing strategy all worked out first have been watching to much TV! :D are you aiming to rival Donarbon but in a smaller way \ \, catering for smaller clients then and small businesses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 windrowing maybe the way to go on fields when it's dry mark but what happens when the ground conditions arnt so good ? like nick sorry about all the questions , but i hold a genuine interest for people like yer self who go out on a limb to give it a go. I especially like the way you explore all the pro's & con's after you have bought all the kit, almost precisely what a bussiness manager would tell you not to do \ there's a system Nr chard that has all green waste tipped into a dissused silage pit, (sadly we got plenty of ex-dairy farms round here :'( ) a local contractor has a bunnings dung spreader with vertical beaters & moves the waste once a week from one side of the pit to the other, he spreads it against the pit wall & moves forward a few ft each load then tidy's up with the loader till he comes back the following week & does the same the other side of the pit for about 5-6 weeks , then it's all loaded , taken to somewhere that has a bagging plant , then onto pallets & out to garden centers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere-est Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 My post failed last night Mark, on a field will there be different rules to a concrete surface. With the field not being drained or sealed and no holding tank for liquid waste will you have to alternate the ground over a period of time? Marcus, not Dampneys is it? The contractor you mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted September 23, 2009 Author Share Posted September 23, 2009 Well... I'm not sure what the rules are for liquid leachate on fields... and that's something we are currently looking into.. I believe it may require some further drainage/liquid storage... BUT... I think that's if we store my liquid foodwaste on site... the plan is (would be is perhaps more apt..) to retain my liquid/wet waste as it is now.. on site at HPC.. and load the mixer wagon from here... the output material from this machine is wet... but only damp - ie. little or no run off as it's 'blended' with dry waste to ensure the correct moisture content (has to be this way to make compost anyway commercially.. so I am being told) Ben.. I am looking to compete with Donarbon on a 'micro scale' but more to create a unique selling point (USP) that Donarbons don't have... which is collections direct from the waste production source - even if it's kerbside ! As for wet weather... I agree... we will probably need some form of 'hardstanding' to work from.. even if it's something basic to get us going for now. The field I have in mind is fairly free draining at the present time - but I do take the point. It's the 'turning' that's the problem really... otherwise I'd say leave it over winter to compost and mature. As for selling to garden centres.. I have a cunning plan there as well.. I'll spill the beans in a few days on that one... when I've had a meeting or two with some trade 'specialists' A At the moment it's a blinder (of an idea)... but tomorrow it could turn out to be cr@p :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorman810 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 given where you are mark is there any old airfields and runways that are on a farms land that you know??? people you do plastic stuff for or tip the carrots ect to at present? that would give you a good hardstanding to work on ?? a mates would be best keep the cost down, otherwise its rental which as you know costs more most farmers leave them as its not cost worthy to remove them so its wasted space, usally implements or straw on them thats it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 cool, sounds great!!, know where i am if you need some help! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted September 23, 2009 Author Share Posted September 23, 2009 cool, sounds great!!, know where i am if you need some help! ;) thanks mate... can you stick the kettle on and iron me some trousers for the morning please :D Sean E baby.... I'd not thought of airfields... good idea mate... will look into that too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 i thought of old airfields too sean , but thought it was a bit obvious ,that & didn't know if there were any near mark My post failed last night Mark, on a field will there be different rules to a concrete surface. With the field not being drained or sealed and no holding tank for liquid waste will you have to alternate the ground over a period of time? Marcus, not Dampneys is it? The contractor you mentioned? what, the one up round bath / tetbury / stroud ? or the one at chard ? tell the truth Tris i havent got a clue, at chard i was going a bit fast to actually see who the contractor was & the other i didn't take much notice must have been on auto pilot , followed him through Hawksbury Upton towards Wooton-Under-Edge / Wickwar, real crappy little lanes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere-est Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Went out with a bird from Wickwar I mean Chard. Dampneys do the southern area for Wessex Water. Bunning spreaders, Hitachi slews but not sure about their tractor brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorman810 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 first thing i thought of when he mentioned hardstanding marcus they never tend to pull them up if the runways are concrete, loads arround in suffolk as its just not economically worth the work to dispose of the concrete, only ones that go are usally near a major roadwork in years gone by when they used it for hardcore bases on the road can't see any old ones on goggle earth when i look near to you mark, but there must be at least one old ww2 airfiled close enough to you, hell the general area was littered with them in the war other option is a old un-used farm??? must be some near you that might let the space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 saw a bucket the other day that goes on teh front of a loader. you dig in then you put on the 1 ton big out what size they are open it and it will fill the big full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Went out with a bird from Wickwar I mean Chard. Dampneys do the southern area for Wessex Water. Bunning spreaders, Hitachi slews but not sure about their tractor brand. i think most of the green waste comes from chard council waste disposal & recycling center otherwise known as chard dump all the bins & yard are contract to viridoor so i supose the contractor is either employed from viridoor or somerset county council i'd imagine it was council as the proccedes from the sold compost is classed as revenue for the council saw a bucket the other day that goes on teh front of a loader. you dig in then you put on the 1 ton big out what size they are open it and it will fill the big full. we have a few of those buckets at a couple of mills, a sort of square tapered funnel , with a slide along the back pannel fill the bucket, lift & crowd right back then open the slide into small compartments in the lorry body ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 I spotted one of those in the JCB telehandler brochure the other day.. looks like a natty piece of kit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I spotted one of those in the JCB telehandler brochure the other day.. looks like a natty piece of kit.. i suppose it would work mark , & the idea of welding hooks to the underside of the bucket to hang the bag before filling is a good idea , but the weight of the right size bucket & a tonne of soil may not do the tractor & loader much good in the long term, as the bucket is more long & narrow as opposed to short & wide to keep the weight back nearer the tractor , maybe a frame to hang the bags to fill might be a better option . Have you got an electronic / pressure gauge weigher fitted ? only ask as for sale to the public you really don't want to be tangled up with the people from trading standards / weights & measures \ might be even worth looking at trailed hopper / elevator with weigh scales fitted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 As I understand it... (in other words.... not gospel... but pub stool advice)... to sell the the general public I can sell in cubic metres... ie. A bag is a cubic metre... there is no stipulation to say it has to be any specific weight... most (well... all) of the dumpy bags I have seen for sale to the public appear to be cubic metre in size. I'll have to get some pics of my rather heath robinson hopper for you to see... it's pretty neat really... just not quite wide enough for my bucket :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 just read your signature text , shouldn't the last bit be your life is at risk when sean is driving ? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi6920 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 As I understand it... (in other words.... not gospel... but pub stool advice)... to sell the the general public I can sell in cubic metres... ie. A bag is a cubic metre... there is no stipulation to say it has to be any specific weight... most (well... all) of the dumpy bags I have seen for sale to the public appear to be cubic metre in size. I'll have to get some pictures of my rather heath robinson hopper for you to see... it's pretty neat really... just not quite wide enough for my bucket :'( hack a couple of small bits off the boat mate and weld them on the sides on a taper to fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorman810 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 As I understand it... (in other words.... not gospel... but pub stool advice)... to sell the the general public I can sell in cubic metres... ie. A bag is a cubic metre... there is no stipulation to say it has to be any specific weight... most (well... all) of the dumpy bags I have seen for sale to the public appear to be cubic metre in size. I'll have to get some pictures of my rather heath robinson hopper for you to see... it's pretty neat really... just not quite wide enough for my bucket :'( intresting, when places like wicks, b&q ect sell dumpbags of sand or what ever they always state its a 1 ton bag, so they must sell by weight instead of cubic meter??? why would that apply to them and not you then mark??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/32 farmer Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 intresting, when places like wicks, b&q ect sell dumpbags of sand or what ever they always state its a 1 ton bag, so they must sell by weight instead of cubic meter??? why would that apply to them and not you then mark??? wel to be honest it ant aa tonne itss more like 900kgs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere-est Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I spotted one of those in the JCB telehandler brochure the other day.. looks like a natty piece of kit.. Exactly what I mean't when I mentioned it a page or so ago. I don-t know if they were Strimech? Many of the building yards I used to deliver to had the buckets on Teletruks with wieghers. Hattie already has a wiegher does she not? You may even pick one of them buckets up at Cheffins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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