Ford 4610 LP Cab

[844john]

The next build of tractors from my past, this time a Ford 4610. I've started this one a bit differently to normal by using an element of cast parts. I'm also going to  try and cast the bits as i go along as i fancy doing a Q cab version as well. Anyway, a start on the front bolster and a bit of a mock up of parts to get a feel for the build

[mb86]

Castings look great john. Have you done the wheels as one or are the centre and tyre done seperate?

[alf aphid]

Oh boy he’s started again!

[SPN]

I love it when he does this.

[justy 46]

Really looking forward to this one...Is it a Gen 1 or 2 John ?? 

Edited May 13, 2019 by justy 46

[844john]

7 hours ago, mb86 said:

Castings look great john. Have you done the wheels as one or are the centre and tyre done seperate?

Thanks Martin, those were the first ones I tried which were as one, I'm possibly going to have a go casting the tyre separately in rubber, but i haven't quite got round to trying out rubber casting yet

[844john]

5 hours ago, justy 46 said:

Really looking forward to this one...Is it a Gen 1 or 2 John ?? 

It's a Gen 1 Justin with the forward opening cab doors, if parts of the cab lend themselves to casting relatively easily then a Gen 2 might follow

[844john]

A start on the cab with the floorpan, mudguards and cab front. There doesn't seem to be much to show for the time it's taken taken, but I'm wanting to cast these bits so they need to be right, especially as this particular style of Sekura cab was used on some Internationals and a slightly longer version fitted to the Deeres, so plenty of future uses for them!

[dm434]

27 minutes ago, 844john said:

A start on the cab with the floorpan, mudguards and cab front. There doesn't seem to be much to show for the time it's taken taken, but I'm wanting to cast these bits so they need to be right, especially as this particular style of Sekura cab was used on some Internationals and a slightly longer version fitted to the Deeres, so plenty of future uses for them!

Hmm , wonder if that cab could be slotted on to a britains David brown? , if it could I’d buy one from you 

[844john]

20 minutes ago, dm434 said:

Hmm , wonder if that cab could be slotted on to a britains David brown? , if it could I’d buy one from you 

Yes, I forgot about the Browns, that one was a bit longer I believe wasn't it David? I might have a try once I get it made.

[dm434]

1 hour ago, 844john said:

Yes, I forgot about the Browns, that one was a bit longer I believe wasn't it David? I might have a try once I get it made.

Too be honest I’m not sure on dimensions, I didn’t realise there was a difference , everyday is a school day as they say . 

[IH885XLMAN]

I know there's a difference between the 1390 and 1290 power rabbit might vouch for me here im sure the 1290 cabs were different also the marshalls were slightly shorter but i always thought the deluxe sekura fitted on dbs ih jds and ap cabbed fords were all standard but maybe I'm wrong though by the way its looking good mate 

[844john]

5 hours ago, IH885XLMAN said:

I know there's a difference between the 1390 and 1290 power rabbit might vouch for me here im sure the 1290 cabs were different also the marshalls were slightly shorter but i always thought the deluxe sekura fitted on dbs ih jds and ap cabbed fords were all standard but maybe I'm wrong though by the way its looking good mate 

Thanks Nigel. I started to doubt myself, so I've had a bit look and measure up this morning! The cab fitted to the Fords and Internationals was basically the same unit, but the one fitted to the 30 series Deere's and the David Browns was longer by about 6 - 7 inches, the difference being from the door to the back of the cab above the mudguards  

Edited May 18, 2019 by 844john

[844john]

[844john]

17 minutes ago, 844john said:

  

I've just looked at my measurements again, and the DB's cab is the same as the Ford and the Nash, only the one used on the Deere's is longer, .....as my kids would say..duuurrr At least that makes it easier for using the cab on a DB 

Edited May 18, 2019 by 844john
not being able to read a ruler!

[844john]

First batch of castings for the cab done this morning. I don't know how others find it, but in my short time doing castings I've found that the mould produces a better cast after a couple of uses.  Anyway, they don't seem too bad on the whole, i broke a couple getting them out (the cab front is more delicate than a new born!) but maybe I'm not gentle enough! 

[Tractorman810]

Interesting , i am guessing your making the cab in 3/4 parts, front , 2 sides and rear then joining it all up , have never seen that before, just whole one piece plug moulds used 

[844john]

11 minutes ago, Tractorman810 said:

Interesting , i am guessing your making the cab in 3/4 parts, front , 2 sides and rear then joining it all up , have never seen that before, just whole one piece plug moulds used 

There are a few variations of the cab Sean with regards to mudguards, shape of the doors, floorpan etc so that's why I'm making this "modular" if you like so that i can mix and match the bits as needed, otherwise i would have just made it in one piece

[Tractorman810]

Ah with you , actually i would say its a good way to do it, prob less chance of breaking each part when removing , rather than a whole cab, i always found that they either deformed or broke as a one piece mould when i did the mf 300 cabs , and a couple of other bits , it would be a lot easier with smaller bits like that cab front, lot less mould material used as well i recon  

[super6]

I expect you know but there is a resin AP cab available as a one piece moulding plus separate roof, as used on an ertl John Deere. It's the early version with forward hinging doors. I used one, albeit in white metal, for a 5610 I did a few years back, I didn't know the JD cab was longer though, I assumed they were all the same length 

[844john]

9 hours ago, super6 said:

I expect you know but there is a resin AP cab available as a one piece moulding plus separate roof, as used on an ertl John Deere. It's the early version with forward hinging doors. I used one, albeit in white metal, for a 5610 I did a few years back, I didn't know the JD cab was longer though, I assumed they were all the same length 

Thanks Pual, yes I have seen those cabs in the past and even tried to get hold of one a couple of years ago now but without any luck, hopefully this build will turn out ok or I might have to start looking for one again!

[Tractorman810]

3 hours ago, 844john said:

Thanks Pual, yes I have seen those cabs in the past and even tried to get hold of one a couple of years ago now but without any luck, hopefully this build will turn out ok or I might have to start looking for one again!

i have one ,maybe two  in the shed, white metal ones from memory . 

[mb86]

4 hours ago, 844john said:

Thanks Pual, yes I have seen those cabs in the past and even tried to get hold of one a couple of years ago now but without any luck, hopefully this build will turn out ok or I might have to start looking for one again!

I think I have one on the deepest depths of my parts boxes john. To be truthful I don't think they are up to your standard without a lot of work. I put one on a marge chassis and it only looks OK. They have a nice roof though. You can have it if you want or even just the roof section. 

[844john]

2 hours ago, Tractorman810 said:

i have one ,maybe two  in the shed, white metal ones from memory . 

 

1 hour ago, mb86 said:

I think I have one on the deepest depths of my parts boxes john. To be truthful I don't think they are up to your standard without a lot of work. I put one on a marge chassis and it only looks OK. They have a nice roof though. You can have it if you want or even just the roof section. 

Thanks for that Sean and Martin, if it doesn't work out then i may take you up on that, but if possible I'd like to build my own, I sometimes find there's more work goes in to adapting something than building it from scratch

[mb86]

54 minutes ago, 844john said:

 

Thanks for that Sean and Martin, if it doesn't work out then i may take you up on that, but if possible I'd like to build my own, I sometimes find there's more work goes in to adapting something than building it from scratch

I thought you'd prefer to do your own but it's there if you want it.