KIWINZ Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 we use a tractor as it has the clearence and power to push the silage arround and it has the width on the tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 You should make teleporter and loading shovel two seperate choices as there is a big difference between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerstarâ„¢ Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Depends if your a farmer or a contractor. Some farmers who have smaller pits can't use a loading shovel as they're too heavy and push the side walls out. A loading shovel can push well, but take a Fendt 926 for example with duals thats some power and grip. Also a loading shovel is too tall for indoor pits. Both have their pro's and cons, A loading shovel being articulated can push at further angles and in to corners more. Their are endless arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIWINZ Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 You should make teleporter and loading shovel two seperate choices as there is a big difference between the two. done it and reset the total thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich.new holland Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 telehandler , it can keep up with anything as long as you got the right driver on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi6920 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 i drive a tractor and buck rake, but we had a contractor in with a Jcb 434 for the farms silage, the 434 didi a realy REALY tight and nice stack so i think it could be better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civilpek Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 never saw a contractor in Ireland with anything other then a loading shovel on the pit except for 1 mf 50hx on a local farm who do their own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noel Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 I've Used a Matbro and a Tractor with Buckrake and definately prefer the later!!! With the tractor you can fill pits better, especially right out to the front with steep ramps, whereas the Matbro just didn't want to know. The Matbro is oil driven so your reving her most of the time and seem to get no-where, fuel consumption better on a tractor. The only down side to a tractor is a Stiff neck with rear mounted buckrake. my thoughts anyway cheers Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerstarâ„¢ Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Its all even at the mo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fendt-man-matty Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 o aye look at this!! trying to prove me wrong eh? its cause i had a jd 3400 buckraking silage on my my farm the other day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nashmach Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Contractors all use loading shovels but most farmers are now using tractors and buckrakes - the 50 B craze seems to have ended :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerstarâ„¢ Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 No one uses teleporters down here Loading shovels with the contractors and a few tractors and buckrakes with contractors and a few farmers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdc Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Most farms up here have their own teleporters with enough grunt to do the job with decent weight and less wear and tear than a tractor. Not many loading shovels round about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich.new holland Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I've Used a Matbro and a Tractor with Buckrake and definately prefer the later!!! With the tractor you can fill pits better, especially right out to the front with steep ramps, whereas the Matbro just didn't want to know. The Matbro is oil driven so your reving her most of the time and seem to get no-where, fuel consumption better on a tractor. The only down side to a tractor is a Stiff neck with rear mounted buckrake. my thoughts anyway cheers Noel what matbro did you have ? as our old matbro ts 280 was alot better than the 7610 we had on the buckrake \ and saying that the matbro was better at climing the clamp than the brand new manitou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fendt-man-matty Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 i actualy voted for tractor and buckrake, but it should be teleporter cause thats what i used on my sillage display Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIWINZ Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 I've Used a Matbro and a Tractor with Buckrake and definately prefer the later!!! With the tractor you can fill pits better, especially right out to the front with steep ramps, whereas the Matbro just didn't want to know. The Matbro is oil driven so your reving her most of the time and seem to get no-where, fuel consumption better on a tractor. The only down side to a tractor is a Stiff neck with rear mounted buckrake. my thoughts anyway cheers Noel front mounted buckrake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIWINZ Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 this is the one our local contractor uses he came in the other day to do the maize 6820 with dules and abult buckrake first tralier still coping close up kept up with 3 of these and on short haul even till the end sitting and waiting not a small chopper to keep up with either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Where were these pics? Looks like a true JD man? I would have to go for a Tractor and Buckrake with push off, you also need to think about the amount of wear on the tilt sections of a shovel flicking and shaking all that grass. Too much oil in those machines. Plus a tractor can be used for the rest of the year, you need some serious work for a shovel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIWINZ Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 Where were these pics? Looks like a true JD man? I would have to go for a Tractor and Buckrake with push off, you also need to think about the amount of wear on the tilt sections of a shovel flicking and shaking all that grass. Too much oil in those machines. Plus a tractor can be used for the rest of the year, you need some serious work for a shovel precisely my piont!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav836 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 The contractor I done maize with last year used a shovel on the clamp, whilst not on silage it was out with a muck spreading gang. Always a buck rake on grass and a bucket on maize clamps Pictures here: Grass http://www.farmtoysforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=10659.0 Maize http://www.farmtoysforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=11355.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civilpek Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 shovel is the way to go, theres no time wasted pushing up loads keeps things going when your flat out, compaction is second to none. the guy who drives ours at pit is unreal on it, ive no pictures taken off the finished pits but if you saw them they are like a work of art. i wouldnt imagine wear and tear to be so bad with the flicking because in the hands of a good operator he doesnt have to flick too much, a shovel loading earth or rock or whatever would be alot worse. if you are only a small contractor or farmer i could see how buying a shovel might not be worth it for the limited amount of work there but then again saying that my bosses one who owns a medium sized contracting outfit is busy 70% of the year doing, silage, muck, land work, site work etc etc theres always jobs coming up for it. all contractors around here anyway have shovels as do any of the farmers who cut there own except for one 50hx as i said earlier by one farmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi6920 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 shovel is the way to go, theres no time wasted pushing up loads keeps things going when your flat out, compaction is second to none. the guy who drives ours at pit is unreal on it, ive no pictures taken off the finished pits but if you saw them they are like a work of art. i wouldnt imagine wear and tear to be so bad with the flicking because in the hands of a good operator he doesnt have to flick too much, a shovel loading earth or rock or whatever would be alot worse. if you are only a small contractor or farmer i could see how buying a shovel might not be worth it for the limited amount of work there but then again saying that my bosses one who owns a medium sized contracting outfit is busy 70% of the year doing, silage, muck, land work, site work etc etc theres always jobs coming up for it. all contractors around here anyway have shovels as do any of the farmers who cut there own except for one 50hx as i said earlier by one farmer. That is so true, the stack we had done with a loading shovel is ROCK solid, i have never seen a tractor do one this solid, Only thing ive seen match it is a bulldozer Why dont most of the people over your way have push off on the loading shovel buckrakes? Personly it makes it so much faster and easyer, just my oppion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civilpek Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 pushoff is probably more important on a tractor as you cant lift the buckrake fitted to front or back links up at the same angles that you could with a shovel so without it, it would be much slower to get the grass off the rake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 The contractor I done maize with last year used a shovel on the clamp, whilst not on silage it was out with a muck spreading gang. Always a buck rake on grass and a bucket on maize clamps Pictures here: Grass http://www.farmtoysforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=10659.0 Maize http://www.farmtoysforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=11355.0 No bucket picture.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gav836 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 No bucket picture.... I never said there was a picture of the bucket did I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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