neilw Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Once again I may be showing my ignorance here, but is the only diffrence between a mower and a mower conditioner the fact that the conditioner part flufs it up and leaves it in a nice swathe waiting to be baled?? Ive seen a couple of times on here the UH Kuhn mower and the front mounted one and think it looks the dogs....... Bearing in mind you would (Probably, im geussing) need to go over it with a whirlrake, would it make that much difference??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerrabbit Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 The idea of a 'conditioner' is that it is a unit that operates in conjunction with the mower in that it 'crimps' or crushes the grass after its passed through the blades of the cutting drums or discs, the joints or 'nodes' to be precise and 'bruises' it to release the sap which aids the drying process, sort of like putting your clothes through a wringer after washing like Mother used to do. A mower conditioner takes considerably more power to drive than a standard mower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 yeah its far better to use a conditioner if you can deere we run has triple mowers but has to work with the conditioner up a bit as she would never be fit to mow with the crops of grass we get over here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 im not sure whether crimpers are still available for mowers but in my opinion far better than conditioners, as they left a neater swath and took less hp and there were no blades to break off which would end up blowing the forager up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 im not sure whether crimpers are still available for mowers but in my opinion far better than conditioners, as they left a neater swath and took less hp and there were no blades to break off which would end up blowing the forager up. sure enough the jaguar 890 we run has a metal detector just at the feed rollers so no metal gets through her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich.new holland Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 those "cripers " are they rubber rollers ? if they are the ones there alot better for wholecrop as they dont smash it as much , the conditioner makes it wilt faster which means dry quicker so less chance of being caught with the weather as it isnt out as long as a stardard mower which in our summers helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere-est Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Conditioners are often nylon 'blades' fixed vertically to a horizontal tube across the swath exit on the rear of a mower. As the grass passes by the nylon 'blades' hit the grass bruising it. If you pick up a handfull of conditioned grass you'll see dark areas up the length of the stems where moisture has escaped. It isn't only to help it wilt but also it releases sugars which when baled or clamped, help the ensiling process. On another note and a little off topic. Metal types can indeed be picked up by a foragers metal detector. It doesn't make it fail safe as in a big swath or through reversing the header, metal objects can and do get thrown over the top of the feed rollers and miss the detector. Nylon types are kinder on the grass and although won't be picked up on a metal detector, they won't do the damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massey man Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 sure enough the jaguar 890 we run has a metal detector just at the feed rollers so no metal gets through her stick a bit of metal inside a coke bottle and it will soon get past the metal detector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 stick a bit of metal inside a coke bottle and it will soon get past the metal detector aye surley lad we hada stone detector on the 890 was way to sensitive went of every 5 mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 ive never used a forager with a metal detector before, years ago i was alongside a nh 717 when it blew up an awful sound i will never forget. I think vicon were the 1st to fit nylon fingers to conditioners they also had the only crimper mower at the time mid 1980s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainswomble Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 ive never used a forager with a metal detector before, years ago i was alongside a nh 717 when it blew up an awful sound i will never forget. I think vicon were the 1st to fit nylon fingers to conditioners they also had the only crimper mower at the time mid 1980s Just testing out my memory on Vicon mowers. Didn't they do an Olympus trailed mower with a roller conditioner, and the Doublet with a spiked nylon fingered conditioner. Four drum Krone mower conditioners were also very popular at the time too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 from what i can remember the vicon olympus had either the nylon finger conditioner om models or km for the roller/crimper model. The farm i worked on in 1987 had a vicon olympus a neighbouring farm had a crimper version the only one ive seen, they say it took 20hp less to drive than the conditioner version. The britains vicon mower was based on the olympus Not sure on krone as all the mowers around us at that time were taarup or vicon with a few massey 70s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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