Lord Ferguson Posted March 14, 2007 Author Share Posted March 14, 2007 the hydraulic quadrant levers had a position called "CONSTANT PUMPING" that I don't seem to remember anyone mentioning in any of the articles. One had to set this position to effect the set-up. I guess it must have meant a pressure relief valve blowing most of the time in the circuit, not good practice in most hydraulic systems. Surly not Daddy.... wasn't pressure control just served on the bottom quadrant lever... constant pumping is just for unhooking autohitches and trailers I thought - leaving a tractor in constant pumping for more than a few seconds is tantermount to vandalism... you may as well spray "TTT Woz ere" all over FTF headquaters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGEL FORD Posted March 14, 2007 Share Posted March 14, 2007 Surly not Daddy.... wasn't pressure control just served on the bottom quadrant lever... constant pumping is just for unhooking autohitches and trailers I thought - leaving a tractor in constant pumping for more than a few seconds is tantermount to vandalism... you may as well spray "TTT Woz ere" all over FTF headquaters That's what we were taught at Plumpton in the early 70's where we had a 165 with it on the quadrant...it would be interesting to read what an official handbook says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted March 15, 2007 Author Share Posted March 15, 2007 That's what we were taught at Plumpton in the early 70's where we had a 165 with it on the quadrant...it would be interesting to read what an official handbook says. I'd better find out Mr F... I will report back as soon as I have the details to hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allis8550 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Surly not Daddy.... wasn't pressure control just served on the bottom quadrant lever... constant pumping is just for unhooking autohitches and trailers I thought - leaving a tractor in constant pumping for more than a few seconds is tantermount to vandalism... you may as well spray "TTT Woz ere" all over FTF headquaters You used the constant pumping settig for tipping trailers or to provide a continuous flow for hydraulic motors, or the like. A,ll Masseys had a continuous pumping setting irrelavent of wether they had pressure control or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted March 15, 2007 Author Share Posted March 15, 2007 You used the constant pumping settig for tipping trailers or to provide a continuous flow for hydraulic motors, or the like. A,ll Masseys had a continuous pumping setting irrelavent of wether they had pressure control or not. Too right Allis... even Fanny has constant pumping.. the debate is... do you use CP for Pressure control operations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allis8550 Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Too right Allis... even Fanny has constant pumping.. the debate is... do you use CP for Pressure control operations No ,not as I recall, we used to have a 135 with pressure control, if my memory serves me correctly the top half of the Position control quadrant was used for normal linkage operations, but by moving the lever down into the bottom half , pressure control came into play and you varied the applied pressure in a similar way to which draft control operated. Mind you this was 25 years ago and we very rarely used it so I might be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 I'm with you on that one I reckon Allis... but daddy Ford thinks he recalls being taught to use PC with contstant pumping running... I will get a manual from my local dealers and find Masseys "definative" stance on the operation of PC My money is on you though Altrhough... nigel is a highly repsected and knowledgeable man when it comes to issues like this \ Ooooo what to do... Place your bets now gentleman (and ladies)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allis8550 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I'm with you on that one I reckon Allis... but daddy Ford thinks he recalls being taught to use PC with contstant pumping running... I will get a manual from my local dealers and find Masseys "definative" stance on the operation of PC My money is on you though Altrhough... nigel is a highly repsected and knowledgeable man when it comes to issues like this \ Ooooo what to do... Place your bets now gentleman (and ladies)... I don't think you could use pressure control with constant pumping running , because you had to push the lever past the constant pumping position to get to the pressure control area of the quadrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdc Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Here ya go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 Thanks John... but was it the draft control leaver... or the position control lever that was used... if it was the draft lever... you could potentialy have it in CP I guess as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allis8550 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Thanks John... but was it the draft control leaver... or the position control lever that was used... if it was the draft lever... you could potentialy have it in CP I guess as well No, to use position or pressure control, the draft lever would be left in the fully up position. Draft control is only any use with a three point linkage mounted implement like a plough or discs or similar where the draft control is used to set the working depth and position control is used to lift and lower the implement. In this situation pressure control is usless ,as basically it can only be used with a trailed implement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdc Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Allis is right, you put draft lever 'up' and pushed position control lever through Constant pumping to the Pressure Control segment and just adjusted it there. IIRC draft was yellow, Position was red, CP was pale blue and Press. control was black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 Allis is right, you put draft lever 'up' and pushed position control lever through Constant pumping to the Pressure Control segment and just adjusted it there. IIRC draft was yellow, Position was red, CP was pale blue and Press. control was black. Thanks John... and Allis... it all seems clear to me now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGEL FORD Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 It's clear to me now too.... the whole lower half of the nearer (short, square-topped) lever's quadrant is constant pumping over the area marked PRESSURE CONTROL (not just the small middle area) so it appears my memory is correct on this despite only meeting the use of it during a college lecture 35 yrs ago or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Land Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Like most topics on FTF ol is often well late now days getting to them but I'll add my wee bit any way. My old boss had a MF 165 that was parked in a drying shed runing a PTO driven grain dryer many many years ago.He was telling me one morning he bumped the "constant pumping" lever in on the tractor while setting it up on morning and the tractor sat there all day pumping nothing.The tractor was never the same again he said.Because the pump had gotten hot and cooked it self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allis8550 Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 It's clear to me now too.... the whole lower half of the nearer (short, square-topped) lever's quadrant is constant pumping over the area marked PRESSURE CONTROL (not just the small middle area) so it appears my memory is correct on this despite only meeting the use of it during a college lecture 35 yrs ago or so? Don't think your quite right there Nigel, constant pumping was only in the middle section , if you were tipping a trailer you put the lever into constant pumping, if you pushed it to pressure control it stopped tipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdc Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 My old boss had a MF 165 that was parked in a drying shed runing a PTO driven grain dryer many many years ago.He was telling me one morning he bumped the "constant pumping" lever in on the tractor while setting it up on morning and the tractor sat there all day pumping nothing.The tractor was never the same again he said.Because the pump had gotten hot and cooked it self. I think that the CP 'relief valve was set a full hyd. pressure, whereas the Press. Control had a separate variable relief valve which was designed for flow the whole time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james f Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 I think that the CP 'relief valve was set a full hyd. pressure, whereas the Press. Control had a separate variable relief valve which was designed for flow the whole time... That sounds more like it John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdc Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 And now you can buy your very own Marky ;D http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/massey-ferguson-weight-transfer-unit_W0QQitemZ220102730416QQihZ012QQcategoryZ121875QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted April 15, 2007 Author Share Posted April 15, 2007 - Ummm... problem is.. I need a new quadrent with PC on... and a few internals I suspect... and a chain... oh.... and a trailer :D Unless....... I guess I could have your trailer John * Marky flutters his eyes and looks angelic * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdc Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FERGUSON-3-TON-TIPPING-TRAILER_W0QQitemZ170102037278QQihZ007QQcategoryZ11752QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FERGUSON-3-TON-TIPPING-TRAILER_W0QQitemZ170102037278QQihZ007QQcategoryZ11752QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Second is nice and handy for you ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 I'd rather have yours John :D Nice though... but a bit to old for my fanny \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 BUMPED for my mate Cerin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewstanford Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 we have one of these sitting on a pallet at the farm i think it was for the 135 or when there was the 165 or 185 but would be nice to use it sometime on the old trailer ransomes cultivator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted January 9, 2010 Author Share Posted January 9, 2010 we have one of these sitting on a pallet at the farm i think it was for the 135 or when there was the 165 or 185 but would be nice to use it sometime on the old trailer ransomes cultivator make sure the thing is soild and strong enough then... they exert quite some upwards force... a 135/165 with Pressure Control runs at a higher 3,000 psi (non PC are 2500 psi) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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