ploughmaster

....see Atte's post #53

Some of us go back to the days of Christopher Trace

I also look at GTP a fair bit; all I see is certain number of folk who seem to have some kind of rubber fetish when it comes to tractor tyres It doesn't make it right, and it certainly doesn't make it correct for the County - turning circle was pretty vast even on the 18.4's set at 80" track. Trying to turn with those floats on must be near impossible. It puts me in mind of a farmer I once worked for who sent a chap 10 miles away to his other farm with a 3 furrow to plough a 1 acre patch for some new strawberries to be planted; the driver moaned "why can't they do it with their own plough" (a County 1474 and 6 furrow semi-mounted Dowdeswell)..... "Because there's only an acre, and the County needs an acre and a half to turn round on!" was the reply.

Thanks for the interesting review; you've given a very fair appraisal I think. I got this version a couple of weeks ago direct from the Case-IH online shop (cost a little more with postage than you paid :'( ). Just a couple of points I would add: The version you have here is not the actual Ertl Prestige edition (in spite of what it says on the bottom), although it is only slightly different; This is a special limited issue 'Milestone' edition of 2500 done for Case-IH in Germany to tie in with the Axial Flow being part of the 'Meilenstein der Landtechnik' (Milestones in Agricultural Engineering) Exhibition which was in one of the halls at Agritechnica last year. It is basically the same as the US issue 9120 apart from having the 'Meilenstein der Landtechnik' decals and the cab access platform and steps - the US Prestige edition on tracks has retained the wider access platform/steps from the earlier Prestige AFX8010 on dual wheels, whereas this European issue has the narrower platform/steps from the standard Britains issue 8120. Bear in mind that this is a limited issue for which Case-IH are charging a significant premium and the normal Britains wheeled version of this combine retails at about £35, and the normal Ertl Prestige version sells in the US for $55 or so (which converts to £35 at current exchange rates) . Unfortunately, the rather basic American style Ertl header trailer which has been in the Britains catalogue has been deleted this year (Ertl dropped it last year).

How do you work that out? Frankly they make it look awful; totally spoils an otherwise promising model. (oh, and the last time I looked, the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish are also Europeans )

RW Collins actually designed the original Teleporter, and the few original Collins versions that were made are now a very rare commodity indeed!. Due to the limits of their own production capabilities, they entered into an agreement with Sanderson Forklifts to productionise and market it. There was an article in Classic Tractor a couple of years ago about the original Collins version (which had the cab on the opposite side from the production version that Sandersons built). I seem to think that the relationship between Sandersons and Collins went sour and Sanderson laid full claim to the rights to the design and Collins were left feeling they had been shafted.

....an original Collins Teleporter ??

Definately 43rd. Wrong section perhaps??? (seeing as none of these are made by Scale Models )

Apart from the ridiculously oversized tyres . I know the UH ones appear a bit undersized to some, but in reality, tyres that size would rarely have been fitted to the 1884 when new (except for a very small number of specialist applications). Those supplied to agriculture in Europe would normally have been fitted with 18.4 x 38:-

If anyone (either an individual or a manufacturing company) wants to produce a model of anything to sell for profit, they will need a licence from the holder of the Intellectual Property Rights to that machine (usually the original manufacturer), and will most likely have to pay some form of royalty to obtain it. In some cases there may no longer be a registered holder of the rights, but even then there is likely to be a company name or logo which is still registered and will require a licence. Ford tractors are a case in point - I am pretty sure the design rights/IP for the tractors themselves will have passed to New Holland, and a licence would have to be obtained from CNH if the IP is still registered. The Ford name and Ford oval badge would have to be licensed seperately from Ford Motor Company, and they may well be specific as to what exact model it can be used on. As Mark Osborne now owns County Commercial Cars, I would expect he would be responsible for issuing licences for models of County variants of Ford (or other OEM ) tractors.? There have been a few attempts in recent years by some toy/model manufacturers to try to get away without getting a licence, and they have usually been caught out and either asked to cease and desist, or have been landed with a large bill for royalties that they hadn't bargained on!

Are they - I didn't realise that (shows how interested in the earlier ones I was ) I'll go and hang my head in a dark corner

Up on the Ertl site now (Nothing terribly exciting: http://www.ertl.com/...12_catalogs.asp 32nd: 13830 (Prestige) New Holland CR8090 with maize and grain headers - looks like a redecal of the existing tooling (est avail Feb 2012) 13831 (shelf) New Holland T9.560 on single wheels (est avail May 2012) 13827 Blue Gravity Wagon (revamp of an older model?) (est avail May 2012) 64th: 13829 New Holland CR8090 with maize and grain headers (est avail Feb 2012) 16th (Big Farm); 46021 Horse Trailer (July 2012) http://www.ertl.com/...12_catalogs.asp 16th: 14847 (Prestige) IH 1066 FWA (est avail May 2012) 14841 (Prestige) Farmall 560 Diesel with 5 Furrow Plough (est avail Apr 2012) 14842 (Shelf) Rotary Mower (est avail Apr 2012) 14849 Case-IH Red Power SV250 Skidsteer (est avail May 2012) 16th Big Farm: 46072 Case-IH Puma 180 (June 2012) 32nd: 14844 IH 3588 2+2 (est avail June 2012) 14825 Red Gravity Wagon (est avail Feb 2012) 64th: 14831 IH 1460 Axial Flow with maize and grain headers (June 2012) 14851 IH 966 Black Stripe (June 2012) 14852 Case-IH Magnum 370CVT (May 2012) 14853 Steiger Cougar II Red, White & Blue (June 2012)

They are OK for the price I think, and I haven't heard of any problems, but they are certainly inferior to the remote tractors from Siku (which you would expect when you look at the relative price. The Britains one is probably alright for towing, but the implement hitch is a bit snappy in operation. If you want one. you may need to get one soon as they have now been discontinued (Ertl/Britains are concentrating more on their remote control tractors in the 16th 'Big Farm' range), although there seem to be a few on offer on eBay for around £30 (or less!),

I imagine they are the same wheels that were used on the previous Fords, in which case they will be part of the wheel moulding. More likely getting the two stage ram right - the real things have a five stage ram I think, but I would think trying to go for any more than two on a 32nd scale toy is probably pushing the boundaries too far Looking at the pic Andy put in anearlier post on this thread, it appears so

Indeed there are, and each had a different method of fixing into the animal trailer - the earlier lead mould type had a rather fancy attachment 'hole' which pushed over a plastic peg which was moulded onto the centre of the trailer floor (this peg has usually been broken or cut off most of the played with examples) The later revised mould cow had a smaller hole in the bottom and was fastened into the trailer with a self tapping screw through a moulded hole in the trailer floor which was offset to the left of centre: Note: this example ^^^^ hasn't been screwed to a trailer ie. mint - I have come across several of these on their own, obviously sold individually as 2134 (probably to use them up after deletion of the trailer??)

As it is a prototype, I would think the actual combine body is the same one as the US version on dual wheels we have seen pictures of elsewhere. If you look, you will see that the extension is a seperate part, so I would expect that they will fit the steps without it on the production version (as they have fitted a narrower access platform to the Case-IH 9120 Milestone edition on tracks that has been produced for Case-IH. The US Prestige edition on tracks had retained the old wider platform that was used for the earlier dual wheeled combine.)

Until each lot goes under the hammer, any bids already left on lots are only proxy bids, and will not be actioned until the items go live in the saleroom, so the short answer will be 'No' - room auctions don't disclose proxy bids left prior to the sale. It isn't like eBay The bids will only show live on 'the-saleroom.com' during the course of the sale.

You asked when they would model a tractor not produced in Germany - Claas may be a German brand, but most of the Claas tractors are produced in France: in the context of your original statement, I really do not understand your logic at all. Wiking are a smallish German specialised model supplier - Germans are very much more patriotic than we are in Britain and Ireland (we are the exact opposite in fact), so it is no surprise that Weise should favour models of German brands and machines built in German factories.

I have done a bit of digging and found a 1996 Toy Farmer magazine article by Martin Smits about the first two issues: The 3200 was the first one issued late 1994 or early 1995 - a dealer only run of 2000. They had no model number on them, but had the waterslide decal with the John Deere name in yellow on the front above the windscreen and the castings were all one colour. The Agritechnica 3300 had a 3300 decal on the back of the cab, but did not have the John Deere decal on the front. The engine was black and the front side panels of the bonnet were a darker green (the part which is a grille on the real thing and therefore appears darker ). The production run was reported as 4000 of these.

That conjures up the same image as Blaster Bates tale of the "Shower of $#&! over Cheshire" :laugh: It's on YouTube if anyone wants to hear it

I think the number was only on the box - the toy itself only had the John Deere bonnet stripe but no model number (on the real thing it was on the cab side pillar I think). There was also a version which was just the tractor boxed on its own as a 3200 I sold this one a couple of years ago for around £100 if I remember right.

The TW20 was only the base skid unit for the short nosed 1474, the long nosed 1474 was always based on the TW25 (which is why the switch from short bonnet to long bonnet came about in the first place). Ford had a rather cheeky habit of always quoting power first and foremost under BSAU141a, which made their tractors appear more powerful than the figures obtained under DIN70020 (which was the standard used by pretty much every other tractor manufacturer). The TW20 and short nosed County 1474 were 145hp (DIN) or 153hp (BSAU); The TW25 and long nosed County 1474 were 154hp (DIN) or 163hp (BSAU). However, the transfer boxes and other driveline changes on the Countys sapped more power than the standard Ford drivetrain, so the County versions actually had less useable horsepower than the Ford equivalent.

Just come across this one to add to the thread:- ....plus a Sanderson Teleporter 2:- ...and a Sanderson Teleporter TL7:-