malcy_p Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Evening all! Impulse purchase on e-bay last week arrived today from Belgium today - item number 251549123068 if anyone is interested... I happen to have the models missing from the empty boxes so I will put them together to make a 'complete' pairing. Anyway, the boxes are in better condition than I had thought, but most need new cellophane, bits gluing etc. Any thoughts on what to use for the cellophane, gluing tips/tricks and finally, how were the models attached to the inner cardboard originally? Any infomation gratefully appreciated before I rush in and ruin things! Oh, here are two of the boxes showing the state of them... /malc. P.S. Anyone selling replacement muledozer adapters these days?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Palmer Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 i think dave towse sells muledozer adapters Malc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Well when I have the need to repair or replace cellophane I use write on transparent film which was used on overhead projectors in the olden days http://www.officea-z.com/product/775068/5-star-ohp-film-writeon-85-micron-a4-clear-[pack-100 For glue I use Bostik paper Glue. As yet I have never taken a box apart but I told you can do so glue on the cello and then use thin double sided tape to stick together the two pieces of cardboard. The method I have used and maybe not the quickest or the best but it has worked for me is as follows. I select correct sizes of MDF board for the box and wrap these in kitchen roll so the the board doesn't get stuck to the cardboard or cello. Once glued I insert the various boards into the box and then weight the boards down with weights such as used for old fashioned irons and also old weighing scales weights. I always place the model onto a kitchen roll wrapped piece of MDF board since there will always be some glue leak out once the weights are applied. I tend to leave this for 24 hours and then remove the weights and pull out the pieces of wood then carefully pull away the kitchen roll. There will always be some little pieces that have stuck but I have found a gentle rub with a wet cloth will tidy that up. Probably pictures would explain better and well I might get round to that this week. The ones with only a cello front are a breeze to do whereas yours where they have to go round 90 degrees are a bit harder but I have usually made a nick in the cello at the turning point. For the ones with only the front cello I usually insert the board and then before placing face down and applying weight I take a damp cloth or piece of kitchen roll and wipe off any excess glue since I don't want white paper towel sticking to the red cardboard. As for securing the models I think the wheels just slot in the bottom of the box and then there will probably a twist lock bit to stabilise the model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcy_p Posted June 17, 2014 Author Share Posted June 17, 2014 Thanks Bill! I think I might have some transparencies in the loft somewhere.... it's been a while since I've used anything like that for a presentation, as you say, in the olden days! I'll give it a go when I find them and let you know how I got on! /malc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerrabbit Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I have in the past repaired a lot of boxes with damaged or missing cellophane. This is how I do it. Open up the box along the glued seam(s) very carefully with a sharp thin bladed knife. remove any of the old cellophane. The ideal replacement is a sheet of laminating plastic, this is shiny, like the cellophane, but a little thicker which will also when in place strengthen the box as well. Lay the sheet over the area of the old box window and with a marker pen mark out the line you need to cut around on the sheet, allow enough overlap to glue it on the box and cut inside the line you've marked, I say this because you need permanent marker for your cut line, other pens/pencils won't leave a mark because of the shiny surface. If you need to make a fold line along the sheet make a small cut each end of the fold line, this will help fold it better and make the fold line hold, if you don't the sheet will 'bulge' a little in the middle. The glue I use is a solvent based glue in a squeeze tube called UHU, use it sparingly running a thin line of it around the old glue line on the box and leave it for 1/2 a minute before placing your new sheet on the inside of the box. Place some weight over the whole window area keeping it flat until the glue is set enough to fold up the box and re-glue the seam using the same glue. Job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcy_p Posted June 18, 2014 Author Share Posted June 18, 2014 Thanks Tim - we have a laminator and some pouched - do you 'laminate' them before using as the ones here A4 and A5 very glossy but opaque before use... Going to have to be feeling brave to slice the boxes open, but I can see that will make things easirt in one respect! I'll get things together and try over weekend - will post the results* /malc. * - unless a disaster ensues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcy_p Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 Grrrr - just typed a long post about tarting up some Britains boxes, and just lost the lot because I attached too many pictures... Anyway, I'll try posting the photos again, and if anyone is interested I'll type it up again tomorrow? /malc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BC Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Good old fashioned cloth pegs still have their uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerrabbit Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yes, I like the idea of the clothes pegs, hadn't thought of that, probably because I don't use a clothes line, I'll have to explain why! You done well there Malc but the laminating sheets, not the pouches, are better suited and don't need to be run through the laminator to start with. I also save any suitable clear cellophane from any other boxes, such as the clear lids from old gift boxes, Christmas card boxes and anything else that has a large 'window' to display or show the packaging contents. Now you've done one it will give you the confidence to do more in the future as and when needed. I haven't used clothes pegs for years, I hang my washing up on a Dutch airing rack over the kitchen stove, doesn't get wet again when it rains and no bird poo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 More I'm impressed and was wondering how you managed that 90 degree bend Malcy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcy_p Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 I used one of these... Linkage. /malc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claasy Girl Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Great work (as always) Malc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcy_p Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Different type of box, similar technique... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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powerrabbit Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Probably a question of cost but why Britains never used a thicker stronger cellophane I'll never know but there was no importance in the boxes once little fingers had extracted (or torn) the model out of it. What a difference in the windows now, obviously there is a realisation that the boxes are important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerrabbit Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Another tip I can pass on is in repairing boxes. I notice Malc that one of the muledozer box ends is in two, the way I would repair this is to cut a 'patch' of thin card and place over the two parts and using the same glue as you use for the new windows stick it in place lining up the torn outer edges as best you can to make the join as invisible from the outside as possible and if on the outside you still have a bit of a loose 'flap' stick it down by smearing the under side of it with a little glue applying it with one of those little double sharp ended wooden sticks. If you have an end flap missing, whilst you have the box flattened and opened out, photocopy the good end and stick the photocopy on a piece of card, make sure you leave enough to form a 'tab', like the tab that you cut along in opening up the box to repair so you can attach it on the box. With missing bits, such as what the mice have eaten, lay some card on the inside and draw around the nibble line and cut along it, it will then but against the original, again glue some card over the joint inside, you won't be able to avoid the fact it's a repair unless you have a second identical box which you could photocopy the panel that is damaged on the other box and use that in the same way, line it up to where it should be and again cut along the tear or nibble line, if the shape of the nibble is difficult to follow be brave and cut the box to straighten up the nibbles. If you have weak joints along any of the end flap folds strengthen them by sticking along the length of the fold some invisible tape (Scotch Tape) and rub the edge of a wooden ruler along it with downward pressure to press the tape down into the card, it sticks better and virtually 'dissapears' then. You'd be surprised how you can bring an old box back to life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Today I glued the cellophane back onto a box with only a front. This was what I was trying to say in an earlier post Oh and thanks for the tip on the clothes pegs Malcy...I found unused more old fashioned ones instead of the small plastic clips I used to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcy_p Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 "Another tip I can pass on is in repairing boxes. I notice Malc that one of the muledozer box ends is in two, the way I would repair this is to cut a 'patch' of thin card and place over the two parts and using the same glue as you use for the new windows stick it in place lining up the torn outer edges as best you can to make the join as invisible from the outside as possible..." Tim - this was covered in my original write up that got lost and then I didn't have the heart to retype it! I used a brown A4 envelope cut into pieces if the right shape - glued as you say. The envelope was thick enough that when stuck to the inside of the box if added support and form to the box. In my post above that starts "Last ones" photos 1 and 3 shows what we're talking about! /malc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Today I glued the cellophane back onto a box with only a front. This was what I was trying to say in an earlier post Oh and thanks for the tip on the clothes pegs Malcy...I found unused more old fashioned ones instead of the small plastic clips I used to use. And today or tonight should I say the finished result with all the various bits and bobs I used to glue the cello to the box instead of taking the box apart which I have yet to attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 This was a rather bashed and battered box so I decided to take the plunge and cut the box open, flatten it out,renew the cello and then stick it back together using double sided tape. Not perfect but a lot better than when I bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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