kojak Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Here's a few pics of when I was sowing nitrogen gas in north west NSW. The seeder is an 80ft Janke pulled with a Case stx 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojak Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 Back view pf the Janke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojak Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 I remember in this paddock the dust got so bad and with the direction the wind was blowing I had a guy in a 4wd driving ahead of me to warn me of upcoming trees and electricity poles, I was driving blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojak Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 The stx 500 under a little bit of pressure direct drilling nitrogen gas into hard ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojak Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 Pulling in for refuelling. The rig was fuelled and serviced twice a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kojak Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 Dust could be a real problem especially at night... when you have zero visibility and 80ft implement behind you with lots of trees in a paddock....scary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojak Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 Here's alink to a few more pictures. http://s240.photobucket.com/albums/ff69/SINNERBOY74/Sowing%20nitrogen%20gas%20in%20NSW/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODELFARMER Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 now hang on a minute I call a paddock a 4 acre field, sometimes there are a few trees in that 4 acres, how many trees are u talking in 1000 acres 4 or 5??? ha ha u don't know you're living, 80 feet wide . . . Bl00dy hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODELFARMER Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 what way does the gas work I'm puzzeled, here its in liquid form or most commomly pellet/granule form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 ooof \ now thats bad visibilty , but i expect the windscreen wipers make it bearable :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 That are some great pictures. Only the equipment is a little small That stx will have a great sound pulling that seeder. Texas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojak Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 what way does the gas work I'm puzzeled, here its in liquid form or most commomly pellet/granule form Anhydrous ammonia takes a liquid form when put under pressure and thats the way its stored and comes on delivery and its also kept below a certain temperature. When its released into the atmosphere it turns back into gas. When its injected into the soil it reacts with the moisture and stays in the ground. Its can be very dangerous working with it. Most ferilizers I've worked with here apart from nitrgen gas has been liquid and is sprayed on. Granular may be used on irrigated or ground that recieves a lot of rainfall, but on broadacre farming that doesn't get moisture that often you could be waiting 6 mths for the rain to come to wash it in If you look closely at the pic you can see that the pots and hoses are frozen even though the temp was up around 40c when I did that job. You could fit 3 small beers in the center pot and it took 1 1/2 hrs to chill them nicely for the drive home across the property after along hard day.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 let me get this right you're effectively injecting liquid nitrogen ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODELFARMER Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 yes, but its gas ha ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 great pictures kojak, ive heard about this system of applying nitrogen but never seen it until now. you say most fertilisers are in liquid form, would some of that be in suspension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurodeere Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 The system is and was used widely in the US. Ertl produced a 1/32 Anhydrous tanker. In the UK the idea was used but not widely in the 1970's and 1980's. Often into grassland the nitrogen was believed to give earlier grass growth due to the nitrogen being available to the plant quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere-est Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Mercy! What kind of speed are you travelling with that moster of a drill on the back? The view to the rear of a perfectly straight bout across the field looks great. . .. I have one like that from the cab of my Ford 7840 looking over the power harrow. . .. not quite the same actually is it?! When you say 'for the drive back' how long would this take you, I'm thinking some of the fields there are a main few miles across at 4500 acres! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODELFARMER Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 Mercy! What kind of speed are you travelling with that moster of a drill on the back? The view to the rear of a perfectly straight bout across the field looks great. . .. I have one like that from the cab of my Ford 7840 looking over the power harrow. . .. not quite the same actually is it?! When you say 'for the drive back' how long would this take you, I'm thinking some of the fields there are a main few miles across at 4500 acres! gps is cheating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 In the UK the idea was used but not widely in the 1970's and 1980's. Often into grassland the nitrogen was believed to give earlier grass growth due to the nitrogen being available to the plant quicker. The farm my dad worked on had N injected into grassland in the late 70s and i have injected N into potato ridges, but this is all in liquid form not gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 let me get this right you're effectively injecting liquid nitrogen ? It is liquid in the tank but it expands back into gas when its injected into the soil or released into air. It then reacts to the soil moisture to create ammonium ions like urea. Mercy! What kind of speed are you travelling with that moster of a drill on the back? ... When you say 'for the drive back' how long would this take you, I'm thinking some of the fields there are a main few miles across at 4500 acres! Usually around 12 to 16 kms depending on soil type and if was direct drill or on cultivated ground.....red dirt is very hard when direct drilling. This property was around 35k to the furthest paddock....first thing I got from the manager was a map so I wouldn't get lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojak Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 gps is cheating What gps?.. that was my good straight driving... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODELFARMER Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 What gps?.. that was my good straight driving... and i'm from brazil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojak Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 you say most fertilisers are in liquid form, would some of that be in suspension? All of the spraying I did was with clear solutions but I remember reading an article a few years back about trials with suspensions in South Australia on calcereous soil with great results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Omex are the main company in the UK for suspensions, it can be very abrasive and corrosive to machinery but very good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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