FB Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 ok, i've seen pics of the JCB on the clamp, and tractors with buckrakes, front or rear mounted..... is there a reason why you cant use a loadall or a tractor with a front loader, or is the weight etc. got something to do with it?? just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Perfectly reasonable question Mr H... I'd take a guess at stability.... a loader tractor has a high centre of gravity I suppose \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Perfectly reasonable question Mr H... I'd take a guess at stability.... a loader tractor has a high centre of gravity I suppose \ But surely a farmaster has a pretty high center of gravity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Ummm... I guess so.. but not quite as high as a loader tractor at a guess \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabh7840 Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 id say it would be very hard on a loader \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Ben, take a seat, grab a hob nob......... no not marky, put him back and listen. There is no reason why you can't use a tractor and loader. The dairy farm I used to work on didd all roughly 500 acres of grass and 100 acres of maize with a ford 7610 and quickie loader. They are fine on the clamp. Also I have seen contractors using them mate. Hope that helps, I will try and dig out a pic or two ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bremner_metallica Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 i would say you can take a whole lot more with a loader were i live the biggest loader tractors are 100hp and the tractor my dad has on the pit has 140hp and i would agree with marky its alot more stable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerstarâ„¢ Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Basically, if you think of a buckrake, some with twin assistor rams, heavy duty 3 point linkage etc, they can take some fair pressure when pushing grass. If you get 150hp + on a buckrake you can push well, and you can have a fair width buckrake etc. Whereas a tractor and loader is more 'flimsy' the way the loaders are made they go above the bonnet before going down to the headstock, this usually makes the tractors front wheels want to be a bit lighter when pushing, and in turn you loose traction. Also self explanatory, putting a 14 tine push off buckrake on a loader would try the bearings/bushes and brackets of any loader, let alone trying to lift it! And a JCB shovel,leibherr, New Holland etc, are built for jobs like that, so they have power to weight ratio fairly well worked out, and although they are quite high their stability, traction and pushing power on a pit is second to none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi6920 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 I stack our silage with front end loader, i personlay like the rear mount rake but our buckrake only fits the loader I find it harder to loader stack but you can have a steep face all the way.. i have a new grab/rake this year so its going to be fun, Here is my jxu with buckrake What im useing this year is a Anbro grapple, we got it for handling tree prunings so im going to try it on the stack With regards to the farmmaster, jcb say it is desinged for stack work, so its ment to have a low center of gravity and optimum push power Hope that sheds some light on the situation ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pudding Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 asking a loadall to push silage is really just signing its death wish, telehandlers just don't like it, they will do it, but often the little troque converters don't agree with it farmmaster 414,416,434 etc are built to do it, awesome on the stack, the powershift and ag tires love it tractors work real well to, loadings on the front axles are tractors limiting factor, powershift tractors will push on the stack well, one of the most effeicent machines for the job.........but at the end of the day a tractor is built to pull, the front axle will always be abused..........pushing a load and lifting, and skidding the wheels puts huge forces on it..........and the further you put the weight out past the front axle, the worse the loading will be.....you can stack with a tractor people do it, be gentle,...or don't moan when the front axle gets rebuilt later in life the best machine for the job would be a JCB434 4 wheel steer, rigid chassis, with a pivoting boom on a turrent.........a over grown airmann from germany...........basically....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi6920 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 asking a loadall to push silage is really just signing its death wish, telehandlers just don't like it, they will do it, but often the little troque converters don't agree with it farmmaster 414,416,434 etc are built to do it, awesome on the stack, the powershift and ag tires love it tractors work real well to, loadings on the front axles are tractors limiting factor, powershift tractors will push on the stack well, one of the most effeicent machines for the job.........but at the end of the day a tractor is built to pull, the front axle will always be abused..........pushing a load and lifting, and skidding the wheels puts huge forces on it..........and the further you put the weight out past the front axle, the worse the loading will be.....you can stack with a tractor people do it, be gentle,...or don't moan when the front axle gets rebuilt later in life the best machine for the job would be a JCB434 4 wheel steer, rigid chassis, with a pivoting boom on a turrent.........a over grown airmann from germany...........basically....... Any pics pudd, never herd of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis086 Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 if your going to put any tractor on a pit get a moffit with a rear mounted loader all the weight is pput on the rear axle which is designed to take that sort of abuse the only draw back expect to need a repair man on standby for the moffit somethings bound to go wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pudding Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 oops airmann is actually a blue hitachi........i think its ackermann or schaffer, i will find a pic, there is a vid of one stacking silage on youtube alhmann......... http://www.ahlmann.nl/ a JCB farmmaster built like a alhmann.........would be my choice the youtube video is http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ovGR6Ay3lM8 http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=daRq5gqtXGU&NR=1 hows that for you nick, there is a outfit in NZ importing the smaller loaders, you can get them with 3 pt hitch on the rear, good replacement to the bobcat etc, just not up to the throw put of a jag chopper, but these larger ahlmanns will , 4ws keeps ya off the walls of the pit, and the pivoting arms up front speed up the dressing of the edges of the pit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fendt-man-matty Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 plus most tractors would be used for cartin etc but there's nothing wrong with using tractor and loader, but personally i wouldn't use the loader \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH885XLMAN Posted June 1, 2008 Share Posted June 1, 2008 The first job i did with my "brand new" JD 2850 sg2 4wd with TANCO loader was on the pitt & it would preform almost aswell if not the same as a front mounted buckrake On the loader wasnt even a buckrake just a muck fork with buckrake tines easier than a buckrake aswell ;) if you are good with the tipping leaver the silage slides off the fork just as easy as a buckrake did the pit with the 2850 loader tractor for 5 years no problem honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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