BC Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Today I took my dad out for a run to Alford and mum stopped off at the Co-op for some shopping whilst dad and myself went in past the Heritage Center which is on an old Aberdeen and Northern Marts premises. The main purpose for visiting the center was to see if I could get them to put up a poster to advertise the model show to be held at the Hilton Treetops in Aberdeen this year. As soon as I went in I saw Phil Collie and Jim Grassic who I know from the vintage rallies. Anyway the two of them were looking at this model which was donated to the Heritage center by an elderly gentlemen. Now it is a fairly heavy metal model and is around 12 inches wide to the outside of the wheels. So the questions are What kind of implement is it How many horses needed to pull it Who made it When was it made And finally what is it worth. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_scrivener Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Perhaps not a model at all, but the real thing. A small (pony drawn?) cultivator or something for allotments, smallholdings, market gardens, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorman810 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 looks like a old row weed clearer, ?? for beet ect maybe, the 4 tines look about the right widths, cant see much othr use for it doesnt look like its much more than a 1 horse number anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leakeyvale Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 I have seen something similar SOMEWHERE but cannot think where. Ireland perhaps? I agree with David a small, single row, cultivator. Something similar here and here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leakeyvale Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hmm this is on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/17-Horse-drawn-Walk-behind-Cultivator-/270507223027?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3efb7ca7f3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 Perhaps not a model at all, but the real thing. A small (pony drawn?) cultivator or something for allotments, smallholdings, market gardens, etc? Having seen it in the flesh David I can swear on a stack of bible's ....it genuinely is a model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 looks like a old row weed clearer, ?? for beet ect maybe, the 4 tines look about the right widths, cant see much othr use for it doesnt look like its much more than a 1 horse number anyway Well Sean not the name we Scottish folks would have used ...but there is no way a one horse would be able to pull that...unless he was the "bionic" horse ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) I have seen something similar SOMEWHERE but cannot think where. Ireland perhaps? I agree with David a small, single row, cultivator. Something similar here and here Nice videos Sue but a pony could not have pulled that "implement".about ;D Edited February 4, 2012 by BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hmm this is on ebay http://www.ebay.com/...=item3efb7ca7f3 Good idea Sue but that's only a pony implement. The one I'm asking about is called a 7 letter word which (Begins in G and ends in R) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leakeyvale Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Good idea Sue but that's only a pony implement. The one I'm asking about is called a 7 letter word which (Begins in G and ends in R) I have no idea what you are talking about - TRUE! Perhaps you had better tell me in a PM (i do have a broad mind - I worked for a newspaper for 17 years) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 No need for a PM Sue...its known as a GRUBBER.....an implement with tines to break up the land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leakeyvale Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 No need for a PM Sue...its known as a GRUBBER.....an implement with tines to break up the land Ah - because you used letters I thought you were being politically correct. I am elucidated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 I thought for a minute grubber maybe was only a Scottish name for it but no.....in fact it looks a bit more like "Biddle's scarifier" in the attached link. http://www.libraryindex.com/encyclopedia/pages/covwovliic/agriculture-grubbers-tines-surface.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Interesting tool Bill .. Aside from the weight of the thing I don't suspect the crows feet would create that much draft mate as they would not have worked deep.. Just enough to bust the roots I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) So I think it is a "grubber" but How many horses needed to pull it Who made it When was it made And finally what is it worth Phil thought 2 pair of of horses would be required but going by the weight of the model I wonder if that number of horses would manage or in fact was it pulled by horses since well there are no handles for an operator to steer the implement. All they know is it was made by the apprentices in some firm.As to when it was made they did not know but as I said I'll bet the apprentices don't have "sair heids" today. I suspect the model may have been made more than one hundred years ago at a guess. As to it value well who knows and we will probably never know since it was been donated to the heritage center so hopefully will not get sold.In addition it. Getting back to what pulled it I am wondering. Looking back to the photos again you will see the implement is a two way one and has tines in both directions. Now if pulled by horses I don't see the need for a two way implement since you would have just turned your horses and implement on the end rigs. This makes me think the implement maybe was used by a similar set up used by steam engine ploughers.I don't know if they pulled grubbers back and forth like ploughs and well on the steam ploughs there were seats for an operator to sit on and steer the plough. Anyway that is just some thoughts I have had and I will no doubt in the future hear more about what visitors to the center have said about it. Edited February 5, 2012 by BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 Interesting tool Bill .. Aside from the weight of the thing I don't suspect the crows feet would create that much draft mate as they would not have worked deep.. Just enough to bust the roots I guess Yes it is an interesting piece of kit Mark. and I must admit I had not really thought about how deep in the tines would have gone into the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allis8550 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 This is a "Scuffler", used for inter-row cultivation in row crops, the winged tines only work about an inch or so deep ,just enough to cut the roots of any weeds, so would be easy enough for a horse to pull. We used to have one converted to three point linkage, that we used to "clean" swede and mangel crops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 This is a "Scuffler", used for inter-row cultivation in row crops, the winged tines only work about an inch or so deep ,just enough to cut the roots of any weeds, so would be easy enough for a horse to pull. We used to have one converted to three point linkage, that we used to "clean" swede and mangel crops. But...why the two way implement ...that is the part which is confusing me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allis8550 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Only reson I can see for this, is to allow the machine to clean itself of any dragging weed , by being pulled backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) But there are tines in both directions. Edited February 5, 2012 by BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Most probably so you don't have to lift out at the headlands perhaps... just swing the horse around, ulter your course by one width and hey presto... quicker turns.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 Yes I suppose that is a feasible idea Mark....don't suppose we have any old horsemen on the forum do we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allis8550 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Most probably so you don't have to lift out at the headlands perhaps... just swing the horse around, ulter your course by one width and hey presto... quicker turns.... Wouldn't work Mark ,as the tynes would be the wrong way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 That'll be a Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay then Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Wouldn't work Mark ,as the tynes would be the wrong way round. Didn't Bill say it had another set in the opposite direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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