robl12 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Well not sure if anyone saw this story yesterday or indeed was at the sale. The seller and buyer are both from the north east of scotland. The last 2 highest paid Rams have both been Texels and both bought by farmers from the north east of scotland Tophill joe was the last one and reportedly netted his owners in excess of £1 million for a £128,000 purchase price. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8226054.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/8191563.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffithsbros Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 thats shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractorbob Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 mate told me about this i shear one worth 30,000 sh.t myself everytime i shear it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robl12 Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 It came from a farm less than 5 miles from me and going to one about 21 miles from me. The last one tophill joe lived about 8 miles from my house. thats shocking The returns must justify the expense so not really shocking no different then people spending hundreds of thousands on supercars that will not actually make them any money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorman810 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 arable guys spend it on machinery , livestock guys on premium breeding stock, they both earn the money back or they wouldnt do it i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leakeyvale Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 ... The returns must justify the expense so not really shocking no different then people spending hundreds of thousands on supercars that will not actually make them any money ..and compared to race horses it is only a piffling amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allis8550 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 You have to remember that this big money only goes around a very small circle of breeders, ie, " you buy one of mine ,I buy one of yours", also nobody knows how much "Luck" will be involved in the deal. Most of these high price sales have less to do with the quality of the animal and much more to do with raising the profile of the circle of breeders involved. I think you have to take the whole thing with a very large pinch of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeere6910 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Its a Sheep sooner or later it WILL die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBRITFARMER Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Its a Sheep sooner or later it WILL die But he will still be able to sire lambs long after his death thanks to AI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeere6910 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 We've got two old texels that do that job perfectely well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 there is hell of alot of time,hard work and money spent when it comes to pedigree sheep breeding its totally different to everyday sheep farming the price reflects this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeere6910 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Mebbie so but a sheep is still a sheep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 Mebbie so but a sheep is still a sheep. Have you had anything to do with pedigree livestock Ive worked with pedigree cattle and i can tell you pedigree cattle are not just cattle and in the sheep world its even more so. Breeders can spend a life time trying to breed such perfection everything has to be right, this tup has never been out to graze because breeders are terrified of injury to such an animal if you get the chance to visit a pedigree sheep breeder of this calibre animal you are entering a different world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeere6910 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 We have a herd of pedigree Blonde D'aquitaines, but I just dont see how you can justify £231,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 how much do you spend on a stock bull? some of the progeny from this tup will hopefully end up being sold for stock rams if this tup sired 30 good tups at 10k each then the price is more than justified, and we are talking a world market for good quality breeding tups. There is also the possibility if crossed with another breed a new breed of sheep appearing from this using only qualities of such a high quality animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakescot Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 You have to remember that this big money only goes around a very small circle of breeders, ie, " you buy one of mine ,I buy one of yours", also nobody knows how much "Luck" will be involved in the deal. Most of these high price sales have less to do with the quality of the animal and much more to do with raising the profile of the circle of breeders involved. I think you have to take the whole thing with a very large pinch of salt. this is the crux of the matter ...I`m a livestock man and get a bit frustrated by it all too...yes I see the good genes the best tup you`ve seen the biggest bull you`ve seen has to be worth a fair few quid but ........we`ll be lucky to know just exactly how much cash changed hands for this lad............it all looks very bad to the general public who think all farmers get thousands and thousands for all our sheep and cattle. a small note......... I`m mentioning no names one recent other high priced tup changed hands for over £50 000 LESS than the quoted final bid price ! I have been offered one third back in luck in the past if I made a certain tup a good price .The man was genuine,quite openly said "make my tup a big price and I`ll see you get 1/3 back " I didnt because I`m not in the circle and really couldn`t afford the cost of getting in there. you see it doesn`t stop there you have "tup nights " to host, shows to go to, AI and embryo transfer work....................folks wanting to "send a ewe or two down to that good tup " the list goes on ........all good fun and good luck to anyone involved .....it`s not for me , I`ll stick to my commercial end of the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakescot Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 how much do you spend on a stock bull? some of the progeny from this tup will hopefully end up being sold for stock rams if this tup sired 30 good tups at 10k each then the price is more than justified, and we are talking a world market for good quality breeding tups. this is probably in contradiction to my last post .... but anyway I`ve been in at £ 8 500 for a bull for my cows . I didn`t get him and I had probably gone more than I could realistically afford. it appears though £10 000 isnt an uncommon amount for a top end commercial bull today especially it he`s a limousin or a charolais . the one I was bidding on was a Simmental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeere6910 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 we spent nearly £10000 on a bull and he sired some belting calves. but still its not quite £231k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 a farmer i worked for years ago would happily spend 10k upwards for a limousin bull from a scottish breeder, compared to the stock he purchased from france the scottish lim was far superior in every way. I think this a credit to scotland and scottish farmers they have always been at the forefront of stock breeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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