harvey123 Posted November 12, 2010 Author Share Posted November 12, 2010 well i am starting to wish i never started this topic now! but we're running a john deere 6920s and a massey ferguson 6490 which will soon be changing to a fastrac 2170 and a fastrac 3200 mainly because it's not being fiddled with to make them go faster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeere6910 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 well i am starting to wish i never started this topic now! but we're running a john deere 6920s and a massey ferguson 6490 which will soon be changing to a fastrac 2170 and a fastrac 3200 mainly because it's not being fiddled with to make them go faster! I think given the circumstances you have taken the best option, and started an interesting topic in the meantime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich.new holland Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 personally i much rather 40k out of the speeds availible, there much better geared for roads than 50k+ and i find that people push the tractors too much when they are higher speeds eg harsh cornerin , harsh braking etc and tyre wear is beyond on the 50k's so im quite happy to stick with 40k 6930 then the 50k 6930s we got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 In powerquads with auto E there is some sort of restricter wire which therefore stops the mph on the dash to work increasing the speed, Which makes it very ropey 2 drive That gear box is fitted with gearing to go either 40 or 50 kph Matty. Only way to change it is to fit different gears or up the revs... Sorry mate but speaking from experience here. Nice to see all the sensible answer though. Well done you lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 well lately my dads been complaining that the massey ferguson and john deere are too slow on the road so we were talking to our john deere dealer if theres was something that could be done to speed them up abit and he said there was a guy that would come out and do it for you, so i was wondering if anyone knew anymore on this subject, maybe you've had it done or you know someone who has had it done. Any help greatly appreciated. well i am starting to wish i never started this topic now! but we're running a john deere 6920s and a massey ferguson 6490 which will soon be changing to a fastrac 2170 and a fastrac 3200 mainly because it's not being fiddled with to make them go faster! ah in that case i can't see the point of this topic ? but then it has created a decent disscussion , one we've had before & no doubt we'll have again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATTY 7530 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 That gear box is fitted with gearing to go either 40 or 50 kph Matty. Only way to change it is to fit different gears or up the revs... Sorry mate but speaking from experience here. Nice to see all the sensible answer though. Well done you lot. Well lad it is true a couple of people have done it around here 2 6910's, and from being a JD dealer and pulled alot of gearboxes out myself i do have experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorman810 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Well lad it is true a couple of people have done it around here 2 6910's, and from being a JD dealer and pulled alot of gearboxes out myself i do have experience. and with jez being pretty well connected within jd seeing as hes a training manager or similar i guess he will know to matty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATTY 7530 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 and with jez being pretty well connected within jd seeing as hes a training manager or similar i guess he will know to matty Hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross wilson Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I no the tractors mattys talking about so its ture and i think he should no sence he is a jd dealer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODELFARMER Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Guys to tidy this one up a bit, The power quad on the deeres, you had the option of F3 being 45k at full engine revs, and change up to F4 the speed stays the same but the engine revs drop to 1900 rpm, This option i think was called eco shift??? jez?? I have this box on my 6420s and had it on my 6620, What this is all about is so, if you pull a wire going to the rear diff on the deere with this box in it, the speedometer stops working, thus the Ecu does no know what speed the axles are doing, so when you change up to F4 from F3 the brain does not tell the engine to cut back to hold 40K instead the engine just revs up full and the result being you've just got 50k My 6420s has a chip in it that when she reaches 40k the speedo stays at 40k so the brain thinks its still only doin 40K so does not cut the revs back, as a result my 6420s sits at 54K on the road, But defo 60K nanananana UNLESS you can get this type of ECO box on a 50K machine that cuts back in top gear?? if so then maybe the same but i can only vouch for the 40 up to 50k cheat.. But 50k, the difference in a 15 min journey between 40k and 50k?? 2 -3 minutes?? at the end of the day is 60K worth it with the whole speed + momentum and transfer of energy displacement etc . . . Na not thinking so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51MON Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 That gear box is fitted with gearing to go either 40 or 50 kph Matty. Only way to change it is to fit different gears or up the revs... Sorry mate but speaking from experience here. Nice to see all the sensible answer though. Well done you lot. on the old 50 k 20,s you had to get under neath the tractor and put your arm up through the back axel and pull the plug they would do 42 mph then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATTY 7530 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 on the old 50 k 20,s you had to get under neath the tractor and put your arm up through the back axel and pull the plug they would do 42 mph then Yes the same with the last 50k 10's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51MON Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 yes thats right mate they did used to fly when you pulled the wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere-est Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Ah I get it now! I have been reading this Topic but every reply has said what I would have said. . . Until now. So basically, screw the designers, the engineers, the product development, screw the machine, safety parimeters, any laws. Screw peoples safety . . . If you can do it faster, cheaper then run bent. Be a cowboy, a roughshot. Seriously, this kind of thing stinks. Even owning a factory built high speed tractor doesn't right the wrong of being ignorant of using it on red, without an 'O' licence or the correct tax band like your competitors in the earth moving, building or groundworks sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MATTY 7530 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Well said safety first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51MON Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 i was only doing as i was told i would,nt do it on my own tractor but at the time i was working for a contractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere-est Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 i was only doing as i was told i would,nt do it on my own tractor but at the time i was working for a contractor I think I'd be right in saying you wouldn't do it now either being older and wiser. I'm sure we all do daft things as young eager chaps. If anyone ever asks someone to go against a machines designated use though they are asking you to take unnacceptable risks, probably for £5 - £10/hr . . . I'd sooner work slower, for less but be stopped from working only by retirement!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51MON Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 your right yes as an owner driver now im payed by the hr , my 6930,s 50k and will do 35 mph but i very rarely run flat out 29mph is what i go at when i can get a way with it , but yes when your young you do tend to be led down the path a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM190 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Guys to tidy this one up a bit, The power quad on the deeres, you had the option of F3 being 45k at full engine revs, and change up to F4 the speed stays the same but the engine revs drop to 1900 rpm, This option i think was called eco shift??? jez?? I have this box on my 6420s and had it on my 6620, What this is all about is so, if you pull a wire going to the rear diff on the deere with this box in it, the speedometer stops working, thus the Ecu does no know what speed the axles are doing, so when you change up to F4 from F3 the brain does not tell the engine to cut back to hold 40K instead the engine just revs up full and the result being you've just got 50k My 6420s has a chip in it that when she reaches 40k the speedo stays at 40k so the brain thinks its still only doin 40K so does not cut the revs back, as a result my 6420s sits at 54K on the road, But defo 60K nanananana UNLESS you can get this type of ECO box on a 50K machine that cuts back in top gear?? if so then maybe the same but i can only vouch for the 40 up to 50k cheat.. But 50k, the difference in a 15 min journey between 40k and 50k?? 2 -3 minutes?? at the end of the day is 60K worth it with the whole speed + momentum and transfer of energy displacement etc . . . no not thinking so On A 6820 I drove this summer, The owner must have put a switch on this wire up into the cab becasuse On the right hand side you had a worklight switch which changed her from 40k to 50k I thought it was bloming magic until now i understand it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 well i am starting to wish i never started this topic now! but we're running a john deere 6920s and a massey ferguson 6490 which will soon be changing to a fastrac 2170 and a fastrac 3200 mainly because it's not being fiddled with to make them go faster! you probably know what im going to say!!!! didnt you bother looking at a Mog? they may be dearer than a Fastrac but you get a higher spec machine more suited to road work that will always hold its value better than a Fastrac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexMF Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 buy a lorry, I hear they're pretty rapid! just ask my good friend Tris, last seen cameoing in Hobbit and the Bandit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere-est Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 you probably know what im going to say!!!! didnt you bother looking at a Mog? they may be dearer than a Fastrac but you get a higher spec machine more suited to road work that will always hold its value better than a Fastrac Do they have the wieght transfer ability though? I know there is a 5th wheel option but on the drawbar they seem worryingly light up front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 depends on the type of hitch and trailer used really Tris, years ago the pick up hitch fitted to Mogs in the UK was a real after thought the ball type hitch available is alot better or use the the pin hitch which is attached to the chassis. http://www.southcavetractors.com/video/s80hitch/s80hitch.html well worth a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere-est Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 And can you adjust the suspension as well to alter the ride hieght. Like a load compensator type thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 This option i think was called eco shift??? jez?? Yes mate it is... So..... this topic has changed into a real BFF topic.... full of posts about modifying a tractor that will end up with the customer complaining about something... Never mind.... proving interesting reading.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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