MDFord Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Anyone know what ths is about http://cgi.ebay.de/David-Brown-Traktor-Prospekt-Neu-Agritechnica_W0QQitemZ130173488505QQihZ003QQcategoryZ127832QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerrabbit Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 It would help if anyone could translate to English then we could all have a guess what it's about. We will have to keep an eye out for any future information. \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH885XLMAN Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 It would help if anyone could translate to English then we could all have a guess what it's about. We will have to keep an eye out for any future information. \ there was a collum in CT a few years back about a german firm trying to buy the DB name rights :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leakeyvale Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 My German is rusty but the sense is something like It is a brochure/spec for a new DB Tractor range from Agritechnica ...that will warm your heart.... Perhaps one of our Continental members can do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 From FWI David Brown enthusiasts seeing this familiar-looking white tractor might have been forgiven for thinking that their beloved marque was back in business again. Certainly, the logo is somewhat in the style of the old DB one and the name on the bonnet rings a bell. In fact this 100hp D. Brown FT100 is a Chinese-made YTO tractor brought into Germany by dealer D.Brown. It looked pretty well screwed together and no doubt comes with an attractively slim price-tag, but, no, the old David Brown hasn't come alive again. http://www.rabeng.co.uk/tractors.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1 Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 rough translation "There is again David Brown tractors! Here newest folder of the Agritechnica! There is the models FT 75, FT 85, FT95 There one um's heart will be allowed to read this name warmly again! To remainder see picture! Private auction, no warranty!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerrabbit Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 With my knowledge of the David Brown name and emblem, it is very very unlikely that any one other than CNH would be able to use it as the name and emblem are both a protected copyright and is guarded most fiercely by the company. There are at this time only the David Brown Club and a limited few individuals that have permission to use them........ This does not mean that someone can't remanufacture a D.B tractor but they must not use the name or emblem, like the IMT or the Sutcliffe tractors for example. (Fergies in all but name). It was reported that someone in Germany was attempting to buy the name but was only a rumour as there would be such a high price put on it (most likely several Millions) that no individual would be able to afford it. CNH guard the D.B name in the same manner that a Rottweiler guards a bone as they have always had the very highest regard for the tractors, thats why they bought the company in 1972. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH885XLMAN Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 david brown still trade under the DB logo doing transmision it was just the tractors they sold to CASE but james would know more \ :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerrabbit Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 There is still a section of the old Meltham factory still operating manufacturing and re-manufacturing the David Brown hydraulic components such as valve chests and pumps and the gears factory, Parks Works, are still an independant David Brown Company producing specialist gearing for numerous aplications around the world. When Case closed the tractor division in 1988 it was said that 90% of the factory machinery was shipped to America and put in 'storage' and not 'sold off', this was done in order to prevent the tractors 'resurfacing' in another guise thus retaining all the patents, tooling and copyrights. This is why you will not find any genuine D.B recently manufactured parts other than what CNH produce themselves with the original tooling. Tin work that is available is limited to mudguards and cross-boxes most of these that you see on the market are wrong and will not fit as they are hand made in such places as Turkey from paterns taken from old salvaged parts most of which had been altered to fit a roll-bar to the tractor they came off. The genuine new panels you do see occasionally are from old original stock that has come from ex dealerships as there is never a constant supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1 Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 this really does beg the question , "why don't David brown tractors sell as well as the other great names of days gone buy' ? by rights these tractors are just as good an investment as any other tractors who's makers ceased trading long ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerrabbit Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 David Brown tractors are now coming into their own and prices for them are rising conciderably and steadily as the Fords and Fergies are too expensive for the ordinary collector and enthusiasts. I can't understand why it has taken till now for D.B tractors to be recognised more, probably because of the strong export market in past years for the other makes and historicaly they were always the cheapest tractor on the secondhand market but people are now seeing the light as it were and recognising that David Brown's are still the most robust, easy to maintain and fuel efficient hard working tractor still around. Just see how many there are still working, testament to the brilliant engineering. I would recommend anyone to study the Companies history from 1860 when they were established, the tractor side was just a mere fraction of the Company, it's like they say about the Mini, there is hardly a person alive that has not been affected by them in some way or form, well, it's the same with David Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeRoebuck Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 David Brown tractors are now coming into their own and prices for them are rising considerably and steadily as the Fords and Fergies are too expensive for the ordinary collector and enthusiasts. I think personally one of the main reasons David Brown tractors have been slow to take off in the vintage and classic tractor scene is due to the availability of parts, not so much mechanical but body work and finishing bits. For example Ford and Massey fans have been able to buy everything from complete new bonnets to new wings for a long time. David Brown parts (pre 90 series) on the other hand have only just started to be produced. JWC Industrial Solutions www.jwcindustrial.co.uk has been a massive help in the restoration of our cropmasters and he has just started to produce new Cropmaster wings which look fantastic, although pricey on paper if you look at cropmasters making ?9000 it doesn't look so bad! As for this new "David Brown tractor", I think people are going to look through the watered down brand application and see the Chinese tractors that they are very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leakeyvale Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 David Brown tractors are now coming into their own and prices for them are rising conciderably and steadily as the Fords and Fergies are too expensive for the ordinary collector and enthusiasts. I can't understand why it has taken till now for D.B tractors to be recognised more, probably because of the strong export market in past years for the other makes and historicaly they were always the cheapest tractor on the secondhand market but people are now seeing the light as it were and recognising that David Brown's are still the most robust, easy to maintain and fuel efficient hard working tractor still around. Just see how many there are still working, testament to the brilliant engineering. I would recommend anyone to study the Companies history from 1860 when they were established, the tractor side was just a mere fraction of the Company, it's like they say about the Mini, there is hardly a person alive that has not been affected by them in some way or form, well, it's the same with David Brown. One of my customers has a 80's DB. It is the general purpose vehicle and is in constant use - in recent weeks towing the shoot trailer (and guns, and beaters). The bodywork is a bit sad but mechanically it is sound. Maintained by Holt JCB who have no trouble with the parts. They have been keeping it sound for the past 14 years when the farm bought it for around ?700. Have seem same model/vintage on the internet at ?7-8000 four or five years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH885XLMAN Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 be nice if CNH made the DB & the IH name & livery they could do what aggo did with landini co & the mccormick name and have there prduct lines rolling off badge engieered new IH & DB tractors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted November 17, 2007 Share Posted November 17, 2007 I dont know if anyone knows how to translate a website page into English but here is how i have found out how to do it... right click the page and select 'Page Info' (which is normally the second from the bottom) then it should take you to some other options, all you have to do then is to select 'Translate Page Into English'. Normally it works but some websites i just doesnt do a thing hope this helps any of you because it certainly helps me quite a lot!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nashmach Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Some of these Chinese companies are no strangers to controversy - I remember NH being annoyed about one make that had similar styling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH885XLMAN Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 but can you remember the chinesse mini david browns they looked like white DB 885s from the late 60s early 70s is this the same company :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerrabbit Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 but can you remember the chinesse mini david browns they looked like white DB 885s from the late 60s early 70s is this the same company :'( I don't know if these Companies have anything in common but the small tractors that you refer to had David Brown Selectamatic bonnets on them that were from an Eastern Asiatic Country that had some old stock. The Chinese will build machinery out of whatever they can lay their hands on, that's where all or most of our scrap metal exports go to. The majority of these Chinese tractors are not allowed to be imported into England as they don't conform to the safety legislation but things are changing slowly and they are improving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH885XLMAN Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 would even be nice to see selecto matic bonnets on the new imports i think the forign DB lookalikes wher called souku or somthing that sounds like that and yes they had the se;ectomatic bonnets to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brown 1410 power! Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 The tractors are imported by a man named Donalled Brown thats why there called D Browns i will fill u in later as i half to go now. Well any way from what ive heard is the david brown was a popular tractor in Germany were im told the dealer is sittuated weather he was a former DB dealer or not i dont no any way Mr Brown had the bright idea (not been sarcastic) of having them sprayed in old DB colours and haveing D Brown put on them which does not mean it affects the copyright of david brown tractors LTD. They should sell well if there tought to be DBs the question is are they a good tractor or cheap dirt??None the less if there successfull we may see some apperaring within the UK and Ireland. Personaly i would like to see these new tractors restyled with a maxxmum bonnet it would look alot more DB then.I visted the meltham mills factory back in 2004 i think it was a great tour and was very intresting to see some of the familar sights from the DB videos like the old test track the area were i belive the cab strent test rig was based i also seen the casting sector and some intresting genuine DB machines for cutting gears ect with the DB name cast into them.. Also intrestingly they keep alot of the old parts books measurements ect ect in the factory i noticed these in one of the offices they were stored in large DB follders. The factory is still working day in day out recondtioning water pumps oil pumps ect ect.. and they are making new DB crown wheels half axle shafts ect.. i have a few pics i will post them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDFord Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Thinking about this made me remember an article in an old Classic Tractor about lookalike DB's. After searching through lots of my back issues I found it, Nov 2001 - I haven't got a scanner so heres a photo of part of it, hope Rory doesn't mind me reproducing it here \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allis8550 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 There was an item in CT June 2002 about a German business man ,a Mr Augustin Thalhofer, who was attempting to register the "David Brown" tradename in 20 countries, from UK to china. I wonder if this is connected in any way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDFord Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Don't think so allis, it says it was a badge engineered marketing arrangment to get a small DB into N America. It was Japanese built and had a Mazda 25hp petrol engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH885XLMAN Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 some good information there thanks still it would be nice if CNH spouted the old tractor firms out but still under their name who would love to see new magpie cases new red and creame IHs new white and orange/chocolate brown DBs i still think CNH could sell lots more by making all of these liverys on one modern tractor with just a colour change maybee a grill change for identity purposes make it a 100 hp 4 cylinder tractor based on one of their current models made at baselden ;) valmet can change livery just like that why not CNH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH885XLMAN Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 make them from the JXU line DAVID BROWNS ARE BACK this time its personal :D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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