Fendt Fahrer Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) Looking at some of the recent Wiking models quality and pictures of new ones coming I can see a little decline in detail and accuracy of the Wiking models. By example look at the Wiking JD 6R engine detail. Clearly very similar to Siku. Although the FH and overall detail is defenitly better than a Siku. This combined with the fact Wiking is seemingly releasing more models in 1:32 than ever before while Siku is reducing their numbers ever so slightly all the time and have now that 1:50 line makes me think that Siku is giving up on 1:32. That Ropa Maus was supposed to be made by Siku. I wonder how come it ended up being a Wiking model? maybe its development cost made it impossibkle to sell as a Siku, as it would have been way to expensive a Siku model. Looking at the detail of the maus one has to say it does not really live up to Wiking standards..... no hydraulic lines or hoses , elevators made from simple rubber bands etc. Never the less I need one of those, I have been waiting for a long time for a maus. Will have to do some detail work on it Edited November 1, 2012 by Anfield Vario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.watson Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 interesting post markus. wiking,as we all know, produce a more collectors detailed model aimed at the older market [14+ i think] which are more for cabbinet and dio people and carefull children to maybe play with. siku are, although very good in detail, more for the younger generation i think and sit very well with the britains line-up of models. i hope siku still carry on making 1/32 as it surely is a massive market for them. i agree that the new 6r deere does lack a little detail under the hood, infact one picture i saw had the engine painted black. i suspect that the model will be around the £50 and upwards mark though. for that money, the lack of colour detail here and there is something they could have put right easily, who knows, i may have seen a pre-production prototype picture and the new ones will be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuirHillyBilly Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Wiking appear to sit in the Schuco, Weise camp above UH and below the likes of Marge models in terms of quality, detail and value for money. I would agree Vario that recent Wiking models are lacking that extra polish. Personally I have never thought they were a patch on Weise for that super fine detail but a recent John Deere I bought is still a great model. The question is if Wiking is to be the new Siku then will prices fall accordingly? I doubt it personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorman810 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 you cant blame them in current times for saving a bit of cash, why make a completly new chassis mould or engine block mould when they already make them for standard siku models?? makes no sence, especially when its as mentioned a engine block, which for 95% of the time will be hidden with the bonnet in the closed postition . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdeere6910 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 you cant blame them in current times for saving a bit of cash, why make a completly new chassis mould or engine block mould when they already make them for standard siku models?? makes no sence, especially when its as mentioned a engine block, which for 95% of the time will be hidden with the bonnet in the closed postition . Que joke about JD's breaking down and needing the bonnet open all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catkom3 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 A shrewd observation Marcus,but maybe the other way round,the Wiking model range has definitely lost a fair bit of the detail they used to have,take the recently announced Fliegl auger trailer The rivets and hinges on that look more Siku than Wiknig,and the much anticipated ( by some ) Samson SG28 slurry tanker was very Siku like,and as you say the up comeing Euro Maus has no hydraulic lines,although that might be a wee bit pedantic,as that will be a very expensive model to produce,so a few cut backs would have been necessary to return a profit, Regards Joe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justy 46 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Siku will keep the 1/32 models alive & running for along time yet . Those 1/32 scale farm models have always been their best sellers in their whole range & they make more money from the young little carpet farmer than they do from collecters of Wiking models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegreen Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 (edited) Wiking John Deere 6210R is clearly less detailed than previous model, however nothing that I havent managed to correct as can be seen below...........but maybe its the shape of things to come in tougher times. The left pic shows standard spec with unpainted wheels, oversized tyres IMO and to wide front wheel track. Right pic shows all tyres scaled down appropriately, wheels spray painted JD yellow, front wheels swapped for 6930s to reduce track width. Removed daft licence plate from exhaust pipe! Havent as yet figured out how best to improve cheap front light detail, but will think of something im sure. Edited December 22, 2012 by bluegreen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fendt Fahrer Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 having received the Maus, maybe I was a bit harsh. I think think the Maus is actually pretty good, defenitly far better than a Siku model. I wish the Tiger was also a Wiking . However if Wiking are really going to take over the 1;32 segment from Siku then that would be good,( looking at the recent Wiking models.) It will be interesting to see how many new 1;32 models Siku will be releasing this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udimore Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Markus, Fantastic topic and I think your points are all very valid. Having said that I cannot believe the demand for the new JD So maybe they have sold this model on reputation and the past quality rather than the current model I do believe future Wiking models will be of their usual high standards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fendt Fahrer Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 In my gut I have a feeling that Siku will slowly leave the 1;32 market. I have a feeling that todays Siku are to expensive for toys and not good enough for collectors. I believe that maybe Siku will concentrate on 1:50 , as those will be more affordable for toys. Since Wiking have a good name for collectors toys I think the parent company will market the 1;32 models under that banner. Time will tell if my hunch was right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Palmer Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Wiking John Deere 6210R is clearly less detailed than previous model, however nothing that I havent managed to correct as can be seen below...........but maybe its the shape of things to come in tougher times. The left pic shows standard spec with unpainted wheels, oversized tyres IMO and to wide front wheel track. Right pic shows all tyres scaled down appropriately, wheels spray painted JD yellow, front wheels swapped for 6930s to reduce track width. Removed daft licence plate from exhaust pipe! Havent as yet figured out how best to improve cheap front light detail, but will think of something im sure. bluegreen,is that wikings john deere 6930 front wheels and tyres you have put on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi6920 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I can see siku going more 50th scale as there are very very few farm models in 50th. And at this point in time the detail of a 32nd isn't demanded. There's more 32 farm model company's than you can poke a stick at at the moment. Cant see siku dropping 32 totally so does make Sennce to keep there name in the winking brand. Re the current wiking quality maybe they are testing the waters as to what they can drop there detail standards to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegreen Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Well I think this topic is even more valid given Sikus total lack of news and Wikings 2nd JD release in a couple of months the new 6125R 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fendt Fahrer Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) Just saw a post from Atte on the German model forum. I think my hunch is becoming reality. Atte's post: This 4 models (and the Bressel und Lade set) is all 1:32 models for 2013... Wiking is gonna 'replace' Siku, Wiking will bring us ±13 'models' for 2013 Geändert von Atte H (Heute um 08:50 Uhr) Edited January 25, 2013 by Anfield Vario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fendt Fahrer Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 the 4 models that he is talking about are: Steyer CVT 6230, Amazone UX11200, John Deere Skidder and the John Deere Gator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fendt Fahrer Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 I for one think this development is a good thing, but for die hard Siku collectors this might be not what they wanted to hear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Palmer Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 sikus releases are not even out yet,they are releasing news of new items in febuary,so i would hang on a bit yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJH Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) No, Siku brings us this year 5 new items and thats all! And i think a lot of limtid models will follow this year... And see the Siku 2013 topic for all the pictures of the models for this year. And yes, Wiking will bring us at least 12 'models' in 1:32, but with the Agritechnica, i think this will be even more! Edited January 25, 2013 by Atte H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Palmer Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 especially with claas celebrating 100 years i hope wiking do some of these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fendt Fahrer Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 The Steyer is last quarter together with the John Deere Skidder, while the Gator and Sprayer are third quarter. Loader set is in the first quarter and that is it. Unless Siku will surprise everyone at Agritechnica but I really believe that 1;32 is no longer a Siku priority or maybe even a Siku subject after this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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