SIMON. Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 That'll make Penny a bit light on the front end i would of thought \ \ :o cheap for ?20 though kev need some long pins to go through the all three sets of holes ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 I think I am right in saying that Watveare were German and taken over by Deutz in the 1970's. You just need to buy the field now to put it to work :D :D :D robbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdc Posted April 19, 2008 Share Posted April 19, 2008 Nice one! A bit of work to get it back to showroom condition but a good size for the 35. We used to have a 12' one and the 35 toiled on hills with that. You might be able to use standard pins and fit the lynch pin end in the space, if you see what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainswomble Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 The plate on the cultivator is most probably the importer as it says on it. The machine is actually made by a company called Kongskilde, (Sweden) and it was as the tines say the Triple K. Therefore it's a Kongskilde Triple K. The design remained unchanged for years and I believe they were sold under other banners as well. Maybe MF and Ransomes. Their tines were legendary and fitted to most of the spring tine cultivators. Most were fitted with a narrow reversible point about two inches wide and about eight inches long, but there was an alternative wider point about four inches wide so the machine could do more work. These points weren't reversible. Their most common use was stubble breaking, ie turning up a tilth behind the combines and baler to get weeds and dropped grain to germinate before it was ploughed in, but they were also used in clean soil for seed bed preparation. It wasn't a good idea to use it where a lot of trash had been buried, as it had a tendency to bring it back to the surface again. The linkage pins should be easy to replace as they are a stepped pin with a flat lever on the end forming an 'L' shape. They are category 1 and 2 steps and are inserted from one side or the other of the brackets, depending on the tractor. Your 35 will almost certainly be cat 1. This is a picture of a later one with folding extensions and the following harrow. http://img.agriaffaires.com/vibrocultor/g64596_2008032881346_2/kongskilde-triple-k.jpg You should be able to order any spares from your local agricultural dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGU Posted April 20, 2008 Author Share Posted April 20, 2008 Thank you very much for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 These are for the MF38 Tiller... but I guess they would be the same really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGU Posted April 20, 2008 Author Share Posted April 20, 2008 Will have to have a closer look next time - I thought they all had the same points??!! [ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Most of them will have point 2 I would say Kev... thats really a spring tine cultivator tine mate \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGU Posted April 20, 2008 Author Share Posted April 20, 2008 Interesting comment in that point's article - used before ploughing to break up hard soil! In the brochure pictures Marky posted they are using in it a ploughed field. I would have thought it would not be strong enough or too hard to pull in un-ploughed ground? Therefore next question "When should I use the tines and under what conditions. Also what tractor conditions (low range etc) To some of you this may sound basic, but don't forget I am not a tractor drive or farmer by profession!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Well Kevsy... I only know from the engineering side really.. I'd say a tiller (with break back arms on springs) would be used directly to hard compacted, un-ploughed land - a spring tine would not have the weight to sink in. The idea of a spring tine is to break down the clods via the vibration action. So in summary.... you'd use it AFTER you had ploughed, BEFORE you have seeded - to make a finer seedbed. As for speed.... depending on the tractor and the depth of penetration (and hence the drag).. I'd say you could whoop along in 1H or even 2H at a push - 3/4 throttle. No doubt I will be corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGU Posted April 20, 2008 Author Share Posted April 20, 2008 Look what I just found on eBay - Looks very similar but is marked as MF. Price made me smile! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/massey-ferguson-implement_W0QQitemZ130215225853QQihZ003QQcategoryZ121875QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGU Posted April 20, 2008 Author Share Posted April 20, 2008 The prices get better!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mounted-Spring-Tines-Tine-Harrow-Cultivator-Plough-Farm_W0QQitemZ150234981502QQihZ005QQcategoryZ11752QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FB Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 bargain of the week then for you!! ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Show that to Mrs BGU.. She'll be dead proud of you then Kev :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorman810 Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Interesting comment in that point's article - used before ploughing to break up hard soil! In the brochure pictures Marky posted they are using in it a ploughed field. I would have thought it would not be strong enough or too hard to pull in un-ploughed ground? Therefore next question "When should I use the tines and under what conditions. Also what tractor conditions (low range etc) To some of you this may sound basic, but don't forget I am not a tractor drive or farmer by profession!! we always ran down the main tracks across the field with one of those before ploughing kev, was always taught to use the same route round the filed and not across it, so this could be done, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Looks like a great buy you have there. Will you be restoring it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainswomble Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 These are for the MF38 Tiller... but I guess they would be the same really... These tines are similar to the Kongskilde ones, but I think they are describing the Bomford Superflow type of tines. The Triple K standard tine looked different from the first picture and the machine wasn't intended to do what the description says. The Triple K was a light cultivation machine and would have been used to break down ploughed ground for a seed bed or 'Tickling the surface' of stubble to provide a tilth for germination of weeds and dropped grains. No more than 2" deep. Kongskilde also made a much heavier spring tine cultivator, called a "Vibro Flex" which had a two piece tine with spring section about 150mm across. This was intended for much heavier use. http://www.kongskilde.com/NR/rdonlyres/DA895A70-108B-45D9-B046-DE5E5915F32E/3490/KongskildeVibroFlex2012.gif These have been around for many years now in one form or another, but the tines have never altered. Even Bomford's used them on their machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGU Posted April 20, 2008 Author Share Posted April 20, 2008 Looks like a great buy you have there. Will you be restoring it? Eventually - along with some work on the tractor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britainswomble Posted April 20, 2008 Share Posted April 20, 2008 Sparex.com have page of pictures of the tines available. Look up www.sparex.com, then cultivators, Kongskilde, points, and the first four types of tine are for the Triple K, the remainder are Vibroflex. Sparex parts are available all over the country at many agricultural dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nashmach Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 What a buy - am looking for another scrap one of those for the tines to combine them with the tines on ours to make a bigger harrow from scratch We use ours for the 2nd run after ploughing - drive in high 2nd on the Ford box as hard as she will take it - usually the hand throttle down to the knees ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGU Posted May 3, 2008 Author Share Posted May 3, 2008 Had a closer look at the harrow today and found another plate. "Brodene TAUL AS." Fabric No 26031. Type KU03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGU Posted June 3, 2008 Author Share Posted June 3, 2008 I must be going mad!!! (Don't answer that Simon!) :D I have always thought Penny was an FE35 - I know they are grey & Gold, but that's what the serial worked out at. I have just received my FoFH Mag today and it has a list of serials in it. Penny is SKM S= Normal Width chassis K= Petrol/TVO standard engine M= Dual Clutch and her serial is between 171471-220613 which is 1960 (Correct - reg April 1960) and relates to an MF35! Why didn't someone tell me to avoid my embarrassment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nashmach Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Had a closer look at the harrow today and found another plate. "Brodene TAUL AS." Fabric No 26031. Type KU03 I would think that is Danish Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I must be going mad!!! (Don't answer that Simon!) :D I have always thought Penny was an FE35 - I know they are grey & Gold, but that's what the serial worked out at. I have just received my FoFH Mag today and it has a list of serials in it. Penny is SKM S= Normal Width chassis K= Petrol/TVO standard engine M= Dual Clutch and her serial is between 171471-220613 which is 1960 (Correct - reg April 1960) and relates to an MF35! Why didn't someone tell me to avoid my embarrassment? :D - well Kev.... I did always wonder why you refered to it as and FE35... if she's 1960 then she's 2 years post MHF being named Massey Ferguson mate... I assumed you read it on a VIN plate or something... what a numpty :D FE stands for 'Ferguson England' by the way... as just one more piece of useless information :D So... could you not get the production date... and the first owners details from FoFH Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGU Posted June 3, 2008 Author Share Posted June 3, 2008 Manufacturing date I don't know yet. She has only had one owner - that was the Grandfather In Law of Shirley who I bought her from! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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