masseyjack590 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 well i've never seen any of these irish trailers so can't comment but here in Lincolnshire as ploughmaster said all trailers are bailey and anything made by the marston group on our farm we have a nearly 30 year old 10t AS its not bad for its age and we also have an 11t ken wotton which is a strong its 20 years old my dad did manage to snap the chassis in half but he did have nearly 18t of muck in the back and i don't think i have ever seen a ken wotton out of lincolnshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 well i've never seen any of these irish trailers so can't comment but here in Lincolnshire as ploughmaster said all trailers are bailey and anything made by the marston group on our farm we have a nearly 30 year old 10t AS its not bad for its age and we also have an 11t ken wotton which is a strong its 20 years old my dad did manage to snap the chassis in half but he did have nearly 18t of muck in the back and i don't think i have ever seen a ken wotton out of lincolnshire i know its not a million miles from you but i ran a ken wotton trailer near beverley. Was a 10 tonner and a fair age, only thing wrong was the midddle support bar had snapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 there are so many trailer manufacturers in the UK im amazed they all keep going. UK farmers tend to view trailers as trailers and not as equipment, in my opinion French and German trailers are so far ahead in design and construction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 there are so many trailer manufacturers in the UK im amazed they all keep going. UK farmers tend to view trailers as trailers and not as equipment, in my opinion French and German trailers are so far ahead in design and construction. as far as i am aware there are meant to be 2 krampe trailers coming to caithness so i will give my verdict when they come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughmaster Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 .... in my opinion French and German trailers are so far ahead in design and construction. The only experience I have had with French trailers was a Rolland. An experience I have no wish to repeat. The biggest problem with European trailers is that many of them have been designed to be towed from the more usual continental towing pintle, and are wrongly balanced to tow easily from a UK PUH, and are too heavy when empty. We make perfectly good trailers here in the UK and I see no need to import them from anywhere else. UK farmers are continually bleating that the rest of us must buy UK produced food - the same argument applies to farmers and their equipment purchases. British farmers have already destroyed the bulk of the UK ag engineering industry, too frequently guided by the mistaken and usually erroneous "foreign is better" sheep mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODELFARMER Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 On a slight off shoot in this topic which is interesting . . . Why has marky not mentioned fergie trailers??? :police: In my eyes there ain't a bad trailer made really these days, just some not as heavy duty as others, For a light -medium duty trailer Fraser ticked all the boxes, heavy duty Redrock + Kane are top dogs in N Ireland i think, Though Redrock are in hiding at current :'( :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 here's another name for the list foster load master, dont build trailers now i think but still build alot of grassland machines built in beverley east yorkshire. Also remember a trailer my dad used, high wooden sides, red and i think called tye! what a beast ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 i think its a combination of governments and company bosses that have messed up Agri manufacturing companies. Nothing wrong in buying British, however British steel has always had more impurities than German steel, therefore a poorer grade. As steel is recycled the UK gets all the crap the rest of Europe dont want. Yes European trailers tow differently but how many farmers dont put an adequate size tractor onto a trailer, pick up hitch design needs to be altered on UK tractors instead of it being an after thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deere-est Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Agreed, Archy. Tractors here need to be equipped with proper load bearing towing equipment such as the ball hitch seen abroad. Fergy 3t trailers have been gone for decades but the PUH is still around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tellarian Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 The PUH will soon be history, hear that VOSA are looking at revising the regs to match euroland. The sooner thebetter.. http://www.scharmueller.at/index.php?id=26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masseyjack590 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 in europe they have never heard of a puh but it must be a pain having to wind the jack all the way down puh is easier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODELFARMER Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 My deere dealer has one of those ball type hitches that can go into the puh of existing deeres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I've seen them on Massey's as well in Beauvais... I can't see where they differ too much from the standard ring and hook idea.. I really cannot knock the hitch on my MF's ... seems strong enough and works effectively - like any type of precision engineering, hitches need to be lubricated, adjusted and inspected for wear at regular intervals - I think with adequate maintenance they work effectively and most importantly... safely too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 the ball type hitch allows for better pivoting, is more secure. One thing that hasnt been mentioned is that UK built trailers transfer alot of weight onto the tractor, when it should be that the trailer axles take more load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Indeed... more a need for trailer design than hitch improvement I guess then Archie \ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MODELFARMER Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 uk trailers legaly do not impose more than 3.5 tonne onto the tractor The only advantage i can see it the thickness of the rings on the trailers we use has its limits in strength? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archbarch Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 no i think the hitch design needs changing to the ball type, personally i would like to see hitches higher maybe even tow in line with the axle with a coupled pin especially for anything over 40k. As for the 3.5 ton transferred onto the tractor that has too many variables, some tandem axle trailers have their axles too far back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd contracts Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 who cares about what trailers the best. if anyone hasn t see a kane trailer you s need to go onto you tube and look at silage video s . there ll be plenty. sure isn t britains bringing one out in the new year.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 who cares about what trailers the best. I care about the opinions and enjoy the debate BD... it's been an enjoyable topic for me so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intey 434 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 no i think the hitch design needs changing to the ball type, personally i would like to see hitches higher maybe even tow in line with the axle with a coupled pin especially for anything over 40k. As for the 3.5 ton transferred onto the tractor that has too many variables, some tandem axle trailers have their axles too far back. redrock have that sorted, whenever you tip your load the wieght goes to the back... yes? wel in redrocks the is small rams placed under the boggies, when the weight goes to the back and laves the tractor with no grip you flick the spool and the weight is pushed back onto the tractor, mighty hand job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 that's a good idea... any pictures of that system Intey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intey 434 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 that's a good idea... any pictures of that system Intey sorry marky, i havent any at the minute. i used one about a year ago but the fella that owned it has now sold it so i cant just get pictures as handy \ sorry \ Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 no worries... thanks anyway for the reply Davy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd contracts Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 it all depends were your from what trailer is the best. over here there s mostly kane redrock heron nc ruscon. there s a fair few driving axle trailersfor the veg men.most contractors have kanes 14 16 ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 heres another ruscon/agrimac mine is a 12t ruscon like the trailer not to dying about the paint in places love the hydraulic door it is heavy quite similar to redrock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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