FordTractorCrazy Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 so if i have read it correctly, there will be a TW25 and a TW25 Force II from Marge ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr softie Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 i like the look of prototype county Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrol Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I'd like to see those County tires on the back axle of the TW as well. - they look great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughmaster Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) Notice the "FORD official licenced product" sign on the picture, who gives this out now......is it CNH or Ford (as in the car manufacturers) Who would give out the County licence for the County models to be made? I presume you have to have a licence to produce a model!? If anyone (either an individual or a manufacturing company) wants to produce a model of anything to sell for profit, they will need a licence from the holder of the Intellectual Property Rights to that machine (usually the original manufacturer), and will most likely have to pay some form of royalty to obtain it. In some cases there may no longer be a registered holder of the rights, but even then there is likely to be a company name or logo which is still registered and will require a licence. Ford tractors are a case in point - I am pretty sure the design rights/IP for the tractors themselves will have passed to New Holland, and a licence would have to be obtained from CNH if the IP is still registered. The Ford name and Ford oval badge would have to be licensed seperately from Ford Motor Company, and they may well be specific as to what exact model it can be used on. As Mark Osborne now owns County Commercial Cars, I would expect he would be responsible for issuing licences for models of County variants of Ford (or other OEM ) tractors.? There have been a few attempts in recent years by some toy/model manufacturers to try to get away without getting a licence, and they have usually been caught out and either asked to cease and desist, or have been landed with a large bill for royalties that they hadn't bargained on! Edited February 6, 2012 by ploughmaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughmaster Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) i like the look of prototype county Apart from the ridiculously oversized tyres . I know the UH ones appear a bit undersized to some, but in reality, tyres that size would rarely have been fitted to the 1884 when new (except for a very small number of specialist applications). Those supplied to agriculture in Europe would normally have been fitted with 18.4 x 38:- Edited February 6, 2012 by ploughmaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Thanks for the answer Clive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJH Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share Posted February 6, 2012 The MB-trac 1300 of Weise Toys has oversized tyres, these ones are small... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justy 46 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Another County!!!! . Are Marge & UH on the same planet i wonder.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuirHillyBilly Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Another County!!!! . Are Marge & UH on the same planet i wonder.. I guess Marge and UH might claim they are going for different markets on the basis or price, availability and fine detail. Maybe in years to come the UH won't be worth much more but the Marge ones will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Apart from the ridiculously oversized tyres . I know the UH ones appear a bit undersized to some, but in reality, tyres that size would rarely have been fitted to the 1884 when new (except for a very small number of specialist applications). People are always complaining the tyres are to small and sticking larger ones on. Now they are big it still isn't good enough! I do agree with you by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorman810 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 got to say, if that had more normal chunky tyres on it i would buy it ,with those floats it just makes a very well made model look ridiculous and over the top, i know many moan about big boots on models, and in some case they are justifyed, others not, but thats gone beyond what most prople ask for sadly, rest of the model looks great mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegreen Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Have to agree about the county but the TW prototype looks so much better than the UH version. The tyres and wheels are spot on the cab and mudguards are correct and the only gaffe I can see is the pre cleaner design behind the exhaust which was not the same glass type one seen on most ford 10 series bonnets, it was plane old solid black not glass tut tut! Other than that its superb and it looks like a gen 1 version is in the offing as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catkom3 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) I really hope Marge do this one next > Picture by Andy Ebbage Regards Joe. Edited February 7, 2012 by catkom3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justy 46 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I guess Marge and UH might claim they are going for different markets on the basis or price, availability and fine detail. Maybe in years to come the UH won't be worth much more but the Marge ones will? Ohh Marges will be worth more ,no dought about that. Its just we seem to be getting much the same models from both UH & Marge within months of each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catkom3 Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 got to say, if that had more normal chunky tyres on it i would buy it ,with those floats it just makes a very well made model look ridiculous and over the top, i know many moan about big boots on models, and in some case they are justifyed, others not, but thats gone beyond what most prople ask for sadly, rest of the model looks great mind Don't want to rain on your parade Sean,but those boots on that model will sell it for Marge,the European guy's will just lap that up,I myself had no intentions of buying another County,but I really like the look of that,with the Ros Bredal 165 spreader on the back,should look very nice,although I suspect that spreader will be to big for it Regards Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tractor Twitcher Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I really hope Marge do this one next > Regards Joe. Seconded Joe a miniature version of the Benson red 1184-TW would be very much appreciated. Given that unless I win the lottery it's highly unlikely i'll ever be in a position to own a real one, especially as the hammer dropped on that one at £47k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughmaster Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) .....those boots on that model will sell it for Marge,the European guy's will just lap that up, How do you work that out? Frankly they make it look awful; totally spoils an otherwise promising model. (oh, and the last time I looked, the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish are also Europeans ) Edited February 8, 2012 by ploughmaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stehos Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Maybe MarGe can have a choice of wheels/tyres you can fit on the model, normal or the (imo awful) terra tyres... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractorman810 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 i know euro guys love their big floats joe, but it just looks wrong on that county, the turn circle on them is bad enough, without those being fitted, you would be lucky if you could actually turn in a 500 acre field :laugh: :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catkom3 Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 How do you work that out? Frankly they make it look awful; totally spoils an otherwise promising model. (oh, and the last time I looked, the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish are also Europeans ) Well Clive whilst I spend a lot of time on FTF,I also spend slightly longer on Gross Tracteur Passion,and one of the things you notice on there is,they really like their big boots,if Atte had posted the prototype picture of the Marge 1884,earlier I would never have bought the Universal hobbies version,purely because I happen to prefer the look of the fatter tyres,and as for Europe,it's some place on the other side of the North Sea as far as I am personally concerened, Regards Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.watson Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Well Clive whilst I spend a lot of time on FTF,I also spend slightly longer on Gross Tracteur Passion,and one of the things you notice on there is,they really like their big boots,if Atte had posted the prototype picture of the Marge 1884,earlier I would never have bought the Universal hobbies version,purely because I happen to prefer the look of the fatter tyres,and as for Europe,it's some place on the other side of the North Sea as far as I am personally concerened, Regards Joe. your right about europe. fetch the blocks and mixer, and we will make a start on the channel tunnel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughmaster Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Well Clive whilst I spend a lot of time on FTF,I also spend slightly longer on Gross Tracteur Passion,and one of the things you notice on there is,they really like their big boots I also look at GTP a fair bit; all I see is certain number of folk who seem to have some kind of rubber fetish when it comes to tractor tyres It doesn't make it right, and it certainly doesn't make it correct for the County - turning circle was pretty vast even on the 18.4's set at 80" track. Trying to turn with those floats on must be near impossible. It puts me in mind of a farmer I once worked for who sent a chap 10 miles away to his other farm with a 3 furrow to plough a 1 acre patch for some new strawberries to be planted; the driver moaned "why can't they do it with their own plough" (a County 1474 and 6 furrow semi-mounted Dowdeswell)..... "Because there's only an acre, and the County needs an acre and a half to turn round on!" was the reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I'd be more concerned about the slick tyres on the other wheels, i'm outraged that they could get this wrong, even the mainland Europeans wouldn't use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrol Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Perhaps this was the base model for the County - it looks like it's a Dutch machine (I think) http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/006/8/8/6889-county-1884-photos.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrol Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Or the actual picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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