FordTractorCrazy Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 to be expected after annoucning the TW's .. See 2 things wrong on the County already though.. Us County fans are already catered for by the fantastic Dave Purdue..! This model is already on my shelf as perfect as it can be, no UH can beat that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetor 6911 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I dont know much about the counties, should that be an 1884 not a 1474 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justy 46 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I dont know much about the counties, should that be an 1884 not a 1474 . Shorter bonnet on the 1474 like a Ford 9700 almost. The 1884 had the longer TW-30/35 style bonnet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue man Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I dont know much about the counties, should that be an 1884 not a 1474 The 1474 was offered in long and short nose but you could rebadge it as an 1884 if you wanted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuirHillyBilly Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 to be expected after annoucning the TW's .. See 2 things wrong on the County already though.. Us County fans are already catered for by the fantastic Dave Purdue..! This model is already on my shelf as perfect as it can be, no UH can beat that... Can't totally agree there mate, whilst Dave's models are top notch they are hardly easily available nor at an affordable price (neither of which is Dave's fault but it is a fact). DBP models are indeed super detailed but I would bet the UH version is hugely detailed too in the flesh, plus if the wheels turn as I expect it will be a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrol Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Pictures in the UH 2012 topic. So does anyone know if these replace the TW-25s or are in addition to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 These are in addition. I hope they all don't come out at once though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Just merged the two topics.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ferguson Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Never mind al that... I see we have a 1080 coming in 1:43.... and a 240 too...so... does this mean we'll see a 1080 in 1:32 then ... Ooooo I do hope so * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDC Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 UH better slow down they'll have nothing left to model in 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udimore Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 to be expected after annoucning the TW's .. See 2 things wrong on the County already though.. Us County fans are already catered for by the fantastic Dave Purdue..! This model is already on my shelf as perfect as it can be, no UH can beat that... Totally agree Wil.. I don't want to be downbeat over this..but I do wonder what us weirdos will be talking about in 5 years time as there will only be the current tractors as new releases which just wont be the same for us old duffas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrol Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Hold on...there's pretty much the entire John Deere 40, 50, 00 and 10 series to be produced by one of the model mfrs plus a lot of old combines, foragers etc....the excitement when a JD 3350 or a 4850 is announced will be incredible I reckon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justy 46 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Totally agree Wil.. I don't want to be downbeat over this..but I do wonder what us weirdos will be talking about in 5 years time as there will only be the current tractors as new releases which just wont be the same for us old duffas The more 70's & 80's era classics the better. Dont matter what ,be it Ford,MF,DB,IH or JD. In 5 years time if they aint no classic tractors left to produce,im sure they can turn to emplements instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johny mf Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 First they need to work on the quality of the models because it is getting worse with every model!! If you look at the new steepnose there are a lot of handlebars missing in the cab and if you look at the 5480 there is everything in it! So UH get to work on Quality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegreen Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 I wish the new TW pics were bigger so that I could check if they still have that dud roof on the Q2 cab or not The most accurate model of the lot of them is the bubble cab TW25 but theyve stuck it on 2wd? Guess I will have to wait for the TW35 version 1 with 4wd to arrive which by the looks of the 5 January offerings may well be February All 5 are a case of "nearly but not quite" arent they. Oh well like everyone else I will have to buy a couple and do a conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 All UH models are 'nearly but not quite'. We should be used to that now. Quantity rather than quality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughmaster Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I dont know much about the counties, should that be an 1884 not a 1474 . Shorter bonnet on the 1474 like a Ford 9700 almost. The 1884 had the longer TW-30/35 style bonnet. The early County 1474 was based on the Ford 9700 and then the TW20 (with No1 fuel tank above the engine), so had the shorter bonnet, but the later ones were based on the TW25, so had the same longer bonnet as the TW25 and 35 with the main fuel tank in front of the radiators. The County wheels look odd - not seen one with those holes in the centres \ The two wheel drive version of the TW30 was the most common in the USA - were they available on continental Europe??; the 30 and 35 were only offered in the UK with 4WD as standard. Whilst some of you may think the TW25 would look better on wider tyres, the wheels and tyres shown in the photos appear about spot on for the size that was supplied as standard on the real thing - 14.9 x 28 front; 18.4 x 38 rear (20.8 x 38 rear on the TW30 and 35). Overall they look pretty good from the pictures so far, and I think most of the criticisms are just nit picking. I just wish UH would stop spewing out new models (and variants) at such a rate - it really takes the fun out of the hobby for me and for those who scratch build or convert to produce models which have not been covered, it must feel pointless to take the time trouble (and in the case of the likes of DBP, significant financial investment) to make a previously unrepresented maker or model, only to see UH sneeze out every concievable variant a few months later. In my view, the hobby is poorer for it, not richer Oh, and just to point out that the first two versions of the TW series were known simply as 'Ford Series TW', and the next was officially titled 'Series TW Force II', and the subsequent incarnation as 'Generation III' - there was, and is, no such thing as a 'Generation II' ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MF-ROB Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 The early County 1474 was based on the Ford 9700 and then the TW20 (with No1 fuel tank above the engine), so had the shorter bonnet, but the later ones were based on the TW25, so had the same longer bonnet as the TW25 and 35 with the main fuel tank in front of the radiators. The County wheels look odd - not seen one with those holes in the centres \ The two wheel drive version of the TW30 was the most common in the USA - were they available on continental Europe??; the 30 and 35 were only offered in the UK with 4WD as standard. Whilst some of you may think the TW25 would look better on wider tyres, the wheels and tyres shown in the photos appear about spot on for the size that was supplied as standard on the real thing - 14.9 x 28 front; 18.4 x 38 rear (20.8 x 38 rear on the TW30 and 35). Overall they look pretty good from the pictures so far, and I think most of the criticisms are just nit picking. I just wish UH would stop spewing out new models (and variants) at such a rate - it really takes the fun out of the hobby for me and for those who scratch build or convert to produce models which have not been covered, it must feel pointless to take the time trouble (and in the case of the likes of DBP, significant financial investment) to make a previously unrepresented maker or model, only to see UH sneeze out every concievable variant a few months later. In my view, the hobby is poorer for it, not richer Oh, and just to point out that the first two versions of the TW series were known simply as 'Ford Series TW', and the next was officially titled 'Series TW Force II', and the subsequent incarnation as 'Generation III' - there was, and is, no such thing as a 'Generation II' ) I think you could get the County 1474 long wheelbase or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughmaster Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I think you could get the County 1474 long wheelbase or something like that. Read my post again - that is what I have said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The early ones were based on the short skid unit of the 9700 and then the TW20. When the TW20 was replaced by the longer skid unit of the TW25, from then on the 1474 was also longer as a consequence. In other words, the short one was replaced by the long one from February 1983. Didn't it go from "series TW force II" to the "30 series" so there was never a "generation III" for the TW range? I think you're right, I should have checked before posting that, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrol Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I agree on the tyres point - we've all become so used to the huge tyres of today that we forget what they were like. And positively this still leaves plenty of room for the custom builders to work on. What's also good is that it appears that the Force ii series now seems to have its indicators which is good. Final point re: custom building, whilst i accept that UH churns out lots of models they do make them much more accessible to the general collector who cannot afford the prices of some of the custom work. In addition, there are still thousands of machines/implements/harvesters to go for in the custom world that I struggle to see how UH producing these tractor models is a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Palmer Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 agree with you there mrol,you hit the nail on the head,uh make the models accessible to everybody,nobody questions the top conversion guys work and skill,its the price,people that can afford the conversions carry on buying,and the rest of use can have the choice of the mass producers,i can see these new ford releases being very popular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuirHillyBilly Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Gotta agree with mrol and paulali. The models offered by Wiese, Schuco, UH and Wiking offer adult enthusiasts a real choice, the specialist convertors have their very valid niche and I fail to see why both can't co-exist. It's about choice and competition, I feel a world without the more detailed manufacturers would be quite a dull one as it would without any specialist conversionalists. With Britains 1884's and the superb DBP Countys now commanding such high prices I think it is crazy to deny a more affordable, readily available variant. We all have a choice which is surely what makes our hobby fantastic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justy 46 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Gotta agree with mrol and paulali. The models offered by Wiese, Schuco, UH and Wiking offer adult enthusiasts a real choice, the specialist convertors have their very valid niche and I fail to see why both can't co-exist. It's about choice and competition, I feel a world without the more detailed manufacturers would be quite a dull one as it would without any specialist conversionalists. With Britains 1884's and the superb DBP Countys now commanding such high prices I think it is crazy to deny a more affordable, readily available variant. We all have a choice which is surely what makes our hobby fantastic? I also agree . I was looking to get a Britains County 1884 on Ebay, but gave up cause they were fetching very high sums of money ,even a playworn unboxed County missing parts on it could touch 60 quid easy. DBP's are fantastic well detailed models ,but again outa my price range & are mostly made in limited numbers anyway. So this UH version is welcome to my wallet anyday & its good for the young collectors also that dont have the cash like the older guys earning a weekly wage do. If anybody has a problem with UH's County or TW's,then just dont buy em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf aphid Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Gotta agree with mrol and paulali. The models offered by Wiese, Schuco, UH and Wiking offer adult enthusiasts a real choice, the specialist convertors have their very valid niche and I fail to see why both can't co-exist. It's about choice and competition, I feel a world without the more detailed manufacturers would be quite a dull one as it would without any specialist conversionalists. With Britains 1884's and the superb DBP Countys now commanding such high prices I think it is crazy to deny a more affordable, readily available variant. We all have a choice which is surely what makes our hobby fantastic? spot on! It seems some people are quite indignant at UH's wish to mass produce models. They are a business out to make as much money as possible, to which I see no fault. If you don't like it don't buy them! They are never really competing with specialist white metal manufacturers as these have a different following. and yes the quality might not be up to that of those a good £20 more but there is your answer! Only thing i do question is how long this can go on before the bubble bursts though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughmaster Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I think you will probably find that David Purdue, Brian Norman and the rest might disagree with you all on that point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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